Thursday, February 12, 2015

Game Over

With the failure of the Trial against Josh I’m pretty sure it’s impossible for Humans to win.  There is no remaining way to get information about Androids, the Androids will presumably sabotage any proposal to change that, and the voters have demonstrated themselves so apathetic that they won’t push a Trial through even with the strongest of circumstantial evidence.

Does anyone have any plans to change this, or should we just propose to disable all the Humans and speed things up?


Josh: he/they

12-02-2015 23:36:50 UTC


RaichuKFM: she/her

12-02-2015 23:39:52 UTC

Sigh. I probably should not have idled out, it seems.

Josh: he/they

12-02-2015 23:58:13 UTC

As much as I hate to interrupt the melodramatic posturing, your case against me - as strong as the “strongest of circumstantial evidence” may have been - was also wrong, so if the game is over now then it was just as over two days ago, or a week ago, or a month ago.

Unless your specific point is actually that now you’ve been eliminated, there’s no longer any point to the rest of us playing?

There is such a thing as having too much certainty in your case, especially in a game like this where so much of the iceberg is underwater. The advantage of trials is that they put pressure on people to respond to questions in a way that is not governed by mechanics. There are some interesting questions around several players that would benefit from this approach. Putting up a trial believing that you already know the outcome is probably the wrong approach. A more liberal approach to the format would no doubt assist.

In any case, the Androids have to eliminate seven more humans before they can claim the win, and as I said in the trial, there are ways to propose things that the Androids let past that can also be used to feed back information. This remains a tough, opaque ruleset for the humans to win in, but I still think that there’s room for manoeuvre.

Proposals to end dynasties are usually reserved for rulesets that don’t work or aren’t fun. I’m still having fun, so I would be averse to pulling the plug here early.


13-02-2015 01:26:36 UTC

My point is simple.  Nobody voted AGAINST except the accused.  The Trial still failed due to apathy.  And we’ve lost a voter since then.  So I think it is very unlikely that any future Trial will succeed.

Kevan: City he/him

13-02-2015 09:16:39 UTC

Tickertape: Okay.


13-02-2015 10:01:25 UTC

I have at least two plans that lead to me personally winning, so I’m happy to continue.

I do think it’s ridiculous that the trial on Josh failed, though. That said, I’m of the opinion that Trials are unlikely to be a major factor this dynasty; there are other, easier ways to Disable people (Marking, especially).

For people who haven’t figured it out yet, we’re not actually playing Werewolf, and haven’t been for quite some time. We’re playing a game of “Disable people with lower clearance than you, and hope you catch the Androids in the crossfire”; the Androids pretty much have to play along because intentionally increasing your Clearance is one of the most suspicious things you can do.

That said, 3 Androids out of 12 people is almost certainly going to lead to the Androids alive at the end. We have to hope that there are only two of them.