I like having an extra tactical option as a result of my admin status.

[Josh] It’s already there, just say “I intend to idle myself” somewhere, every four days.

For the same reasons as explained before. Its not like there has only been one dynasty where idling effects things. As it is not technically required that an admin comments out their entry in the GNDT, I’d rather make all idles loud. Admins should not have “extra tactical options”

Per Clucky and past me if you follow Kevan’s link. Admins must make a post to idle someone due to inactivity, or a comment if an idle was requested. That hasn’t screwed up gamestate. How hard is it to make a post saying “I idle”?

per Clucky and RaichuKFM.

per RaichuKFM

[RaichuKFM] Admins are not required to post a comment if idling a player by request. They have to announce an inactivity idle because not telling a player that they have been idled is more likely to screw up gamestate.

It’s easy to make a post saying “I intend to idle myself”. It’s also easy to idle yourself and then announce “I idle”, and easy for older, returning admins to overlook the rule change and just idle themselves silently. Two of these three easy things leave us with a ghost player under the current rule, and are also easy to miss.

Skimming the archives for relevant phrases, it looks like Ienpw may have idled himself without declaring an intent beforehand back in June, which would mean that he’s still active today, and quorum has been 1 higher here and there over the past four months. (Ironically that post also includes an admin making an illegal inactivity idle in its comments, which wasn’t noticed until a day later.)

(Sorry, wrong link, there, this is the post I meant.)

So, if this fails, we should every time when enacting a proposal carefully watch the sidebar so as to ensure nobody illegally vanished. I think allowing admins idle as they wish is better, since then not noticing idling is less harm (if any). If they get “inadvertently idled by something else”, they are likely to undo idling themselves. And yeah, let’s try to avoid automagic changes to the gamestate.

Would it be possible to get a notification every time the Players/Quorum template changes? That would be convenient, but I don’t know if it’s feasible.

The template output itself can be accessed directly at http://blognomic.com/blognomic/playerlist - you could use a service that emails you when a web page is altered (like this one), or someone could write a script that pinged the player list every few hours and updated an ongoing, dated history of its changes. (I’m happy to have a go at some point if nobody else does.)

Thank you, Kevan. Good luck with the script.

Maybe we should make loud idles a SHOULD? I still think loud idles help everyone, but agree with the point that there are more problems caused if someone silent idles against the rules and no one notices

I’d prefer it a must, but I would not oppose making it a should.

Does EE have any kind of bot support? If we could automatically detect when the player list changes and make a post from there it would solve both issues.

RaichuKFM, quorum is 7 since Kevan is not idle :D

quirck: I’m not sure how you came to that conclusion. Kevan announced his intent to idle himself and removed himself from the player list, so he is definitely idle.

So flavor text counts here?

Rereading the rules, it doesn’t. I’ll go sit in the corner now.

Irony! That wasn’t intentional. In case it’s necessary, I announce another intent to idle myself, and idle myself if I wasn’t already idle.