Proposal: Golden Handkerchief
Times Out and Fails 3-5. -RaichuKFM
Adminned at 25 Oct 2013 11:20:40 UTC
In Rule 1.2.1, replace “Admins may render themselves Idle at any time provided they’ve made a post or comment declaring their intent to do so in the past four days.” with:-
Admins may render themselves Idle at any time.
If an MN has the name Bucky, Clucky, Josh, Larrytheturtle, Murphy, Purplebeard, quirck, RaichuKFM, scshunt, Spitemaster or turtlemoon they are considered Present. Any MN who joined the game or ceased being Idle after this Proposal was posted is also considered Present. Upon enactment of this proposal, if an MN is Present and also Idle, they shall no longer be Idle; if an MN is neither Present nor Idle, they shall be made Idle.
Under Rule 1.2.1 I am required to declare my intention to idle myself before idling myself. Hello everyone! I intend to idle myself, and may as well drop this amendment in on my way out. The “admins must idle loudly” clause was added in May 2013, when a dynasty had an automagical gamestate trigger whenever anyone became idle. No other dynasty needs this, and by saying “if an admin idles silently or using the wrong words, they remain unidle even if nobody notices” we’re just giving ourselves another way for the visible gamestate to drift out of sync with the platonic one.
Here’s my previous attempt to remove this. I’ve added an “everyone who should be idle is idle” clause in case any mistakes have been made by self-idling admins since May.
Comments
Josh: ELECTOR HE/HIM
Kevan: HE/HIM
[Josh] It’s already there, just say “I intend to idle myself” somewhere, every four days.
Clucky: HE/HIM
RaichuKFM: SHE/HER
quirck: HE/HIM
Larrytheturtle:
Bucky:
Purplebeard:
Kevan: HE/HIM
[RaichuKFM] Admins are not required to post a comment if idling a player by request. They have to announce an inactivity idle because not telling a player that they have been idled is more likely to screw up gamestate.
It’s easy to make a post saying “I intend to idle myself”. It’s also easy to idle yourself and then announce “I idle”, and easy for older, returning admins to overlook the rule change and just idle themselves silently. Two of these three easy things leave us with a ghost player under the current rule, and are also easy to miss.
Skimming the archives for relevant phrases, it looks like Ienpw may have idled himself without declaring an intent beforehand back in June, which would mean that he’s still active today, and quorum has been 1 higher here and there over the past four months. (Ironically that post also includes an admin making an illegal inactivity idle in its comments, which wasn’t noticed until a day later.)
Kevan: HE/HIM
(Sorry, wrong link, there, this is the post I meant.)
quirck: HE/HIM
So, if this fails, we should every time when enacting a proposal carefully watch the sidebar so as to ensure nobody illegally vanished. I think allowing admins idle as they wish is better, since then not noticing idling is less harm (if any). If they get “inadvertently idled by something else”, they are likely to undo idling themselves. And yeah, let’s try to avoid automagic changes to the gamestate.
RaichuKFM: SHE/HER
Would it be possible to get a notification every time the Players/Quorum template changes? That would be convenient, but I don’t know if it’s feasible.
Kevan: HE/HIM
The template output itself can be accessed directly at http://blognomic.com/blognomic/playerlist - you could use a service that emails you when a web page is altered (like this one), or someone could write a script that pinged the player list every few hours and updated an ongoing, dated history of its changes. (I’m happy to have a go at some point if nobody else does.)
RaichuKFM: SHE/HER
Thank you, Kevan. Good luck with the script.
Clucky: HE/HIM
Maybe we should make loud idles a SHOULD? I still think loud idles help everyone, but agree with the point that there are more problems caused if someone silent idles against the rules and no one notices
RaichuKFM: SHE/HER
I’d prefer it a must, but I would not oppose making it a should.
Clucky: HE/HIM
Does EE have any kind of bot support? If we could automatically detect when the player list changes and make a post from there it would solve both issues.
quirck: HE/HIM
RaichuKFM, quorum is 7 since Kevan is not idle :D
jeo:
Purplebeard:
quirck: I’m not sure how you came to that conclusion. Kevan announced his intent to idle himself and removed himself from the player list, so he is definitely idle.
quirck: HE/HIM
So flavor text counts here?
Purplebeard:
Rereading the rules, it doesn’t. I’ll go sit in the corner now.
Kevan: HE/HIM
Irony! That wasn’t intentional. In case it’s necessary, I announce another intent to idle myself, and idle myself if I wasn’t already idle.