Monday, March 23, 2020

Proposal: Grand Designs

Timed out unpopular, 3-5. Josh

Adminned at 25 Mar 2020 12:16:12 UTC

In the rule Ribbons, change the bulletted list as follows:

* Ribbon of Letters: Have the Estate with the best Furniture.
* Ribbon of the Sword: Have the Estate with the best Romantic Gifts.
* Ribbon of the Bell: Have the Estate with the best Food.
* Ribbon of the Robe: Have the Estate with the best Art
* Ribbon of the Chancery: Have both the highest Prestige and the highest Power.

Remove the sentence “If a Nobleman is the only Nobleman to meet the Requirement of a Ribbon, they may (after removing it from any Nobleman who already holds it) hold that Ribbon” and replace it with “If more than one Nobleman could plausibly lay claim to meeting the Requirement for a Ribbon, then any such Nobleman may Take Umbrage to Assert their Claim.”

Reword the rule Umbrage as follows:

As a daily action, a Nobleman (known as the Claimant) may Take Umbrage by making a story post to the blog titled “Umbrage: *name/s*” where *name/s* is the name of one or more other Noblemen (known as the Disputants).

The post should outline the Claim that the Claimant is making, which must be an actionable change to the gamestate, and why the Disputants are implicated. Such a post is known as a Royal Complaint.

Each Disputant may make one reply to this post defending themselves against these accusations. The Claimant may then make a one further response.

If the Royal Complaint has been up for at least 24 hours, and no comment has been made by the Claimant or any Disputant for at least 24 hours; or if all permissable replies (as detailed in the paragraph above this one) have already been made, the Royal Complaint is said to be Awaiting Judgement

If a Royal Complaint is Awaiting Judgement, Louis XIV may issue a ruling by doing one of the follow and making a comment on the Royal Complaint declaring which option they pick:

* They may side with the Claimant, in which case the Claimant is permitted to enact their Claim, and the Disputants each lose one Prestige;
* They may side with one or all of the Disputants, in which case those Disputants who have been found in favour may enact the Claim and the Claimant loses one Prestige;
* They may decide that the case has No Merit, in which case the Claimant loses 1 Prestige;
* They may decide the case has merit but cannot currently be resolved, in which case nothing happens.

In any case, the Royal Complaint then ceases to be Awaiting Judgement.

A single Nobleman may not be the Claimant on more than one Royal Complaint per week whose Claim involves the award of the same Ribbon.

If a Royal Complaint is Awaiting Judgement for more than one week, it ceases to be Awaiting Judgement and is as if Louis XIV decided both sides have merit.


Darknight: he/him

23-03-2020 12:01:30 UTC



23-03-2020 13:30:58 UTC



23-03-2020 14:07:02 UTC

I assume what “best” means in this context will eventually have a definition.  imperial

Kevan: he/him

23-03-2020 14:08:19 UTC

So this is changing the Ribbons to a subjective “best” where we argue our cases for whether the Art of War is “better” than Apollo at Crete, and Louis XIV judges subjectively?

Josh: he/him

23-03-2020 14:10:42 UTC

Kinda, or at least arguing whether having six arts is better than having one art of each characteristic.

I’m not attached to the label of “best”, I am attached to the subjectivity.

Kevan: he/him

23-03-2020 15:14:54 UTC

Hmm, that feels like quite a pivot from a pure auction game, if the value of an item isn’t just what you paid for it and what gamestate effect it has, but also how effectively and amusingly you feel you can write about it in the future.

A bit unnerved generally by the wider change of Umbrage from minor Power tweaks to letting Louis XIV approve or deny any “actionable change to the gamestate” that a player might suggest, up to booting players out and assigning them victory. It’s very thematic and it might be an interesting challenge to find your line in the sand, but it could dwarf the main auction game.



23-03-2020 20:58:04 UTC

I like it, but it seems to bypass the proposal system. Josh, do you aspire to emperor permanence?


23-03-2020 20:58:27 UTC

;)  against

Josh: he/him

23-03-2020 23:06:33 UTC



24-03-2020 14:05:01 UTC

CoV against
I’m disinclined to let this pass until “best” has a definition in this context.

Tantusar: he/they

24-03-2020 23:35:17 UTC

against gamestate is too broad

pencilgame: he/him

24-03-2020 23:43:57 UTC


I vote no because ‘best’ is ill-defined.

Although, I do support the effort to simplify items and the rules surrounding them.