Saturday, May 18, 2024

Story Post: Haul: The Pewtersmith

4st, JonathanDark and Juniper are agreed.

Adminned at 20 May 2024 08:53:32 UTC

NadNavillus eavesdrops while posing as a customer to learn where the artisan keeps their most precious wares, JonathanDark scouts out a loose window, and 4st leaps away across the rooftops with the goods later that night. Clucky and Juniper lay low.

The Haul is 6 Florins, a Candlestick and an Unappraised Gem.

Comments

Juniper.ohyegods: she/her

18-05-2024 10:54:40 UTC

since nobody was kind enough to give poor little me even 1 Florin, i’m going to say give all contents of this hall to nadnavillus.

Nad: he/him

18-05-2024 14:38:22 UTC

Looks like we had the following hustles:

4st as Informant, stealing 3 from Juniper.
Clucky backing off his Informant role to Pickpocket gaining 3
JonathanDark stuck Blackmailing Juniper again with no effect
Juniper as Labor but losing 3 florins to 4st net -1
Nad as Pickpocket again gaining 3

Clucky: he/him

18-05-2024 16:03:41 UTC

those are pretty bold accusations Nad without any clear evidence

Clucky: he/him

18-05-2024 16:06:29 UTC

I propose:

JonathanDark gets 4 Florins for scouting
Nad gets 1 Florin and the Candlestick
4st gets the gem
Juniper gets 1 Florin out of pity

Nad: he/him

18-05-2024 16:09:21 UTC

Bold, you just have to look at the hustles from the two last turns, its not hard to figure out.

Nad: he/him

18-05-2024 16:11:00 UTC

Juniper was clearly robbed of three florins, there was a blackmail die roll made and we were both pickpockets.

Clucky: he/him

18-05-2024 16:12:03 UTC

you do realize people can change their hustles, right? there is also no way to know who is being an informant and who was blackmailing.

all we know is that for several rounds you were getting +4 Florins per hustle, which is more than anyone else was possibly getting

Nad: he/him

18-05-2024 16:18:45 UTC

I think we at least cut Juniper in for a full cut given all that she has lost to the group.

I propose:

Juniper gets the gem, 4st gets the Candlestick and JonathanDark and Nad get 3 florins.

Clucky: he/him

18-05-2024 16:20:27 UTC

Why are you still trying to pull the same “JonathanDark and Nad get the same amount of Florins” when JonathanDark

a) contributed more to the pot (2DICE5 florins averages 6, which is generally much better than an item would give)

and

b) Took on a riskier move (+3 notoriety vs +2 notoriety)

Nad: he/him

18-05-2024 16:22:16 UTC

And to Clucky, as JD pointed out in his proposal, hustle can change but only on weekly basis in the current rules, very slow moving compared to hauls.

JonathanDark: Publisher he/him

18-05-2024 18:01:51 UTC

It’s true that you can only change your Hustle on a weekly basis, so it’s not nearly as flexible as you might expect. If anyone was able to change their Hustle recently, it’s because they’ve been running their prior Hustle for a while now.

I highly recommend voting for “Flexible Opportunist” if you want to change behaviors via distribution amounts. Otherwise, I don’t think it’s fair to punish anyone just yet for something they won’t be able to change, and that you don’t have solid proof of who is doing what, until Snitch and Flexible Opportunist passes.

Nad: he/him

18-05-2024 18:19:46 UTC

Good proposals. 

I think I would defer to Juniper to opine on any fairness. For me, not trying to punish anyone.

Clucky: he/him

18-05-2024 18:49:27 UTC

How is deferring to a person who is giving you everything an “opine on any fairness”?

Like that pretty clearly isn’t being fair and trying to label it as fairness seems patently absurd to me

Nad: he/him

18-05-2024 18:57:48 UTC

Because is has nothing to do with me…..

Jonathans comment was about not thinking its fair to punish folks for the hustles they chose until the new proposal is in place.

I suggested that the person that lost half her florins to a blackmail hustle can opinion on that if she likes.

Nad: he/him

18-05-2024 18:59:22 UTC

And if you notice, I didn’t agree with her proposal as well.

Clucky: he/him

18-05-2024 19:31:36 UTC

You’re seeking to come up with reasons to punish other players but not yourself, thus giving yourself a leg up

That has everything to do with you

Nad: he/him

18-05-2024 21:27:01 UTC

I’m not looking to punish anyone.

Clucky: he/him

19-05-2024 01:32:45 UTC

I understand you might not be looking to punish anyone, but its a zero sum game. If you give yourself and JD the same reward for this haul, despite the fact that JD both spent more on it and resulted in more being put into the pot, you’re punishing JD

Nad: he/him

19-05-2024 04:05:02 UTC

Nope. We have two differing views on equity. We don’t have to agree.

Juniper.ohyegods: she/her

19-05-2024 10:22:42 UTC

im with nadnavillus all the way. so ill also agree with him.

JonathanDark: Publisher he/him

19-05-2024 15:17:02 UTC

I don’t want this haul to be punted, so I agree with NadNavillus.

JonathanDark: Publisher he/him

19-05-2024 15:26:40 UTC

Actually, I want to hold this up a little longer until I can change my Hustle, so I agree with Clucky.

JonathanDark: Publisher he/him

19-05-2024 17:48:35 UTC

I still want to hold this up for a few minutes more, so I propose that 4st gets the entire haul.

4st:

19-05-2024 18:03:22 UTC

I propose:
JonathanDark gets 4 Florins for scouting
Nad gets 1 Florin and the Candlestick
4st gets the gem
Juniper gets 1 Florin out of pity

JonathanDark: Publisher he/him

19-05-2024 20:13:16 UTC

I agree with 4st

Juniper.ohyegods: she/her

20-05-2024 05:37:52 UTC

... something is better than nothing. I agree with 4st.