Thursday, June 25, 2009

Proposal: Historical Fraud

Yuri is a little veto trigger happy today, eh?—Clucky

Adminned at 25 Jun 2009 20:35:08 UTC

In the Dynastic Histories, rename “The First Dynasty of Geran” to “The Second Dynasty of Myke.”

I know that this theoretically doesn’t require a Proposal, but I think the Histories are important enough that I shouldn’t make a big change without formal consent.

Here’s the story: In the days of Blognomic lore, there was the first Dynasty ever. It was ruled by the Emperor Myke, who gave a direction to this game that would propel us into fortune; the rest is history. Incidentally, Myke never could have won Round One without the help of Kevan. Now, as the legend goes, following the First Dynasty of Lyndse, Myke was absent from the game and another early Blognomic patriot, Geran, earned his first Dynasty.

Years later, Myke revealed that he had controlled the character “Geran” as well, admittedly using two identities at once. Even back then, using multiple identities was frowned upon, and was probably illegal; only Kevan might still be able to tell you.

While Myke’s fraud is historical, and there is no question that he earned another Dynasty (though perhaps through immoral means), he should not be able to claim 2 Dynasties under different monikers. Therefore, I Propose that forevermore, The First Dynasty of Geran be known as The Second Dynasty of Myke, to right the wrong that has haunted Blognomic perpetually since its third Dynasty.


Amnistar: HE/HIM

06-25-2009 09:38:32 UTC

If anything, that story should be included as a comment in the dynasty, not renaming the dynasty.


06-25-2009 09:42:16 UTC

Ah, do not worry, much of that story is already in the history. I intend to make the full story available, hopefully including this final, resolving chapter, in an easy-to-access manner in that History.

Sidenote: If anyone can fill in the holes in the current Histories, I would be much obliged. A few whole Dynasties are missing, and others are incomplete; if anyone who was there can write the missing history, Blognomic will be more complete than it ever has been.

Darknight: HE/HIM

06-25-2009 09:48:49 UTC

I doubt we’ll ever get those in full. but i doubt anyone would really gripe if ya change it.

Darknight: HE/HIM

06-25-2009 09:49:54 UTC



06-25-2009 10:25:50 UTC

for Historical accuracy is good, and I really respect people who go through proposals to change such things.

Ienpw III:

06-25-2009 14:45:54 UTC



06-25-2009 15:03:42 UTC


Clucky: HE/HIM

06-25-2009 15:03:45 UTC


Once again, this destroys history, not preserve it. Put that information in the description of the first dynasty of Geren, but don’t go changing history.


06-25-2009 15:05:52 UTC



06-25-2009 16:32:59 UTC

against per Clucky

Ienpw III:

06-25-2009 16:46:04 UTC

CoV against per Clucky


06-25-2009 17:10:37 UTC

against I agree with Clucky. Although really, it’s your history, not mine.


06-25-2009 20:21:05 UTC

Is anyone honestly surprised that Clucky disagrees with me?

No history is destroyed in this process; all of it is preserved in the text of the histories. This is merely an acknowledgment of the truth, and that we wish it hadn’t happened this way in retrospect.

This proposal is similar (on a Blognomic level) to the US apologizing for slavery, or the nations of the world noting that they never should have recognized Hitler’s government of terror.

Remember, Tourists; we make Blognomic history with everything we do. What takes place now is just as valid as what took place 6 years ago. And know that, if this were to pass, ALL events in this troubled portion of Blognomic’s past will be available in the history, including how that Dynasty went by the name of Geran until we righted the wrongs of Blognomic past.

I’m a Historical Preservationist, Clucky knows that. I would never ask that our history be destroyed, in any way. I merely ask that we take our own initiative now, and make a place in our own history. It is time to put an end to the trace of tyranny that has infiltrated our nomic, to look in the face of those who flaunt our rules and say, “We will stand up for the Rules of Blognomic! No one shall break them, and Blognomic will continue as an entity unblemished by tyranny, unblemished by duplicity, untouched by the finger of (illegal) deceit through all time!”

I know that someday, someone will look back on Myke’s lies and the people of Blognomic will say, “Nay. We will not allow his sins to go unpunished.” I hope that that day, Blognomic, is today.

Clucky: HE/HIM

06-25-2009 20:30:19 UTC

No its not. Doing that would be to completely remove any references to the fact that they were the same person.

You are the one who is changing history, not I. You are the one trying to remove the evidence of what happened, not I. How can blognomic learn from its mistakes if he try and hide them under a pillow?


06-25-2009 20:38:31 UTC

Please, Clucky, I don’t want to make this another argument between you and me. I would NEVER remove the references to the fact that they are the same person. Those references are already in the Ruleset, and they are there to stay. I would make more references, with a more detailed explanation of how Myke and Geran were the same person, if this passes.

This would not hide the mistakes of Blognomic under a pillow. It would make them neon, so that every person who reads the history of Blognomic will know the truth. No longer will Myke’s treachery be a minor footnote at the bottom of Geran’s History page. It will be a full, recognized fraud, and a part of history that we can all regret together.

I suspect that many current Tourists did not even know of Myke’s falsehood, and upon glancing at the Histories pages, believed Geran to be a legitimate entity. Now, everyone will know that Geran was, and always has been, a lie.


06-25-2009 22:42:49 UTC

for Clucky is simply being oppositional toward Qwaz. Qwaz is still right. I doubt that Clucky would even vote :for: on a proposal that Qwaz made declaring clucky the winner.

Amnistar: HE/HIM

06-26-2009 01:22:05 UTC


Per clucky’s reasoning.  The dynasty was the first dynasty of the player Geran.  The fact that Geran and Mike were the same person?  Doesn’t matter.  It was the first dynasty of Geran.  Now if you want to include in parenthesis afterwards (2nd dynasty of Mike) that’s fine, but the dynasty name should remain the same as it was when it took place.

Clucky: HE/HIM

06-26-2009 03:24:22 UTC

for This will probably stay until time out unless one side gives in. Its not worth delaying the game.

Not to mention historical stuff isn’t even gamestate so I don’t think these proposals can change it. I went a head and made the link mention both.

Ienpw III:

06-26-2009 03:24:40 UTC

veto Amni told me to. (I’ll stop it now. I swear)

Amnistar: HE/HIM

06-26-2009 03:26:03 UTC

It’s not gamestate, doesn’t need a proposal, just make a post to talk about it, we can sticky it and debate it, don’t hold up the proposals on it.