Sunday, July 26, 2009

Proposal: History repeals itself

Passes (quorumed) 6 :for: and 3 :against: .Qwazukee has the most votes, so he achieves victory.—Wakukee

Adminned at 28 Jul 2009 09:29:17 UTC

Along with their valid votes to this Proposal, Tourists should include the name of a single Tourist, other than the Tour Guide. The Tourist who has their name included in this fashion on the most votes, achieves victory in the current dynasty. If there is not a single Tourist that meets this criteria, Wilson achieves victory in the current dynasty.

If I win, I’ll go ahead and create Groundhog Dynasty.

Comments

arthexis:

07-26-2009 17:58:47 UTC

for arthexis

Kevan: HE/HIM

07-26-2009 18:02:41 UTC

Note that the enacting admin will be able to cast any number of successive votes for himself before closing the proposal; the final tally doesn’t count “valid votes”, just “votes”.

arthexis:

07-26-2009 20:17:13 UTC

But it says “in this fashion”

Kevan: HE/HIM

07-26-2009 20:32:58 UTC

If you vote for yourself fifty times, you’ll have included a vote “in that fashion” fifty times, even if 49 of them aren’t valid votes by the end of play.

(So, in fact, even saying “valid votes” wouldn’t have made any difference. We should really work out a solid phrasing for this kind of thing, and keep it on a shelf in the wiki somewhere.)

arthexis:

07-26-2009 21:16:23 UTC

Well, I agree with you that we should specify this in the rules. Perhaps a polling rule on the glossary that defines how a poll works?

ais523:

07-26-2009 22:19:13 UTC

against I came here specifically to point out the same bug as Kevan has. @Kevan: most proposals in the past have used the phrasing “counted votes”; i.e. if you vote FOR then FOR again, the first isn’t counted because you revoted.

Qwazukee:

07-26-2009 22:50:28 UTC

against The Princess

Klisz:

07-27-2009 00:34:22 UTC

for  Darth Cliche.

Klisz:

07-27-2009 00:34:35 UTC

for  Darth Cliche.

Darknight: HE/HIM

07-27-2009 00:37:14 UTC

against

Darknight: HE/HIM

07-27-2009 00:37:45 UTC

imperial Cov. wrong icon

Qwazukee:

07-27-2009 00:41:11 UTC

This is currently 2-2-1, for quick reference.

Qwazukee:

07-27-2009 00:42:02 UTC

CoV against Qwazukee, as The Princess isn’t technically a Tourist.

Bucky:

07-27-2009 01:01:23 UTC

@Kevan, ais

As per the Ruleset’s definition of Vote, “If a Tourist uses more than one Voting Icon in comments on a Pending Proposal, his Vote is the last voting icon he uses.”

So in the scam attempt described only the last comment would be a vote.  Their other comments would not be votes.

Kevan: HE/HIM

07-27-2009 10:29:47 UTC

But each vote was a legal vote at the time it was made; if you interpret “name included in this fashion on the most votes” as meaning “votes cast historically” rather than “votes that are still legal at the end of voting”, it’s scammable.

It’s a bit of a leap, but this is a proposal from the admin who pulled a crazy-language-interpretation DoV scam after enacting a rule illegally, last week.

Klisz:

07-27-2009 15:08:10 UTC

for  arthexis

Klisz:

07-27-2009 15:08:22 UTC

for  arthexis

Klisz:

07-27-2009 15:08:37 UTC

for  arthexis

spikebrennan:

07-27-2009 16:23:32 UTC

Responding to Kevan: how about defining the term “Valid Final Vote” as meaning, with respect to a given proposal, the comment (and only the comment) on that proposal that contains the vote by that commenter that is given effect when the proposal is adminned.

Qwazukee:

07-27-2009 19:14:04 UTC

I consider comments with icons that come before the final voting icon to be invalid when the Proposal is enacted/failed, and thus irrelevant in this case. I think this would hold up under CfJ as the most sensible way (avoiding massive spam, if nothing else).

Klisz:

07-27-2009 19:55:09 UTC

for  Darth Cliche

Klisz:

07-27-2009 19:56:35 UTC

for Darth Cliche

Klisz:

07-27-2009 19:57:59 UTC

for Darth Cliche

Klisz:

07-27-2009 20:10:20 UTC

for Darth Cliche

Klisz:

07-27-2009 20:10:54 UTC

for Darth Cliche

Darknight: HE/HIM

07-27-2009 21:03:31 UTC

for arthexis. but damn DC, going abit over board with votes lol

Qwazukee:

07-27-2009 23:58:15 UTC

against Darth Cliche.

Bucky:

07-27-2009 23:59:31 UTC

The phrase “The Tourist who has their name included in this fashion on the most votes” pretty clearly only refers to voting icons that are votes when the proposal passes.

Qwazukee:

07-28-2009 00:01:52 UTC

Now 3-2.

MacMed:

07-28-2009 01:01:37 UTC

for arthexis

Qwazukee:

07-28-2009 01:05:34 UTC

Hmm, ppl seem to approve of arthexis’ brash, unconservative style of breaking Blognomic and then declaring victory. Intriguing.

Amnistar: HE/HIM

07-28-2009 01:49:18 UTC

against

Qwazukee:

07-28-2009 01:55:33 UTC

Current situation:

Passing 4-3.

arthexis: 3
Darth Cliche: 2
No one: 2

If Kevan unidled, he would have 1 vote.

Wakukee:

07-28-2009 03:00:42 UTC

against Darth Cliche, but only because arthexis made that dumb DoV earlier.

Wakukee:

07-28-2009 03:06:13 UTC

against Darth Cliche, because I included 2 names in the last one.

Darknight: HE/HIM

07-28-2009 03:39:49 UTC

for COV to Darth Cliche.

Qwazukee:

07-28-2009 03:49:42 UTC

against Qwazukee

Qwazukee:

07-28-2009 03:51:24 UTC

Current situation:

Failing 4-4.

arthexis: 2
Darth Cliche: 3
Qwazukee: 1
No one: 2

If Kevan unidled, he would have 1 vote.

Shem:

07-28-2009 05:52:19 UTC

against

ais523:

07-28-2009 11:19:49 UTC

against Qwazukee, because he’s at least been relatively sane throughout all this. I still think a metadynasty is a fairer way to end a dynasty when there isn’t widespread agreement about who should run the next one, though.

Qwazukee:

07-28-2009 16:27:16 UTC

CoV for Qwazukee

Wakukee:

07-28-2009 16:27:16 UTC

CoV for Qwazukee