Monday, May 10, 2010

Proposal: I am the law

Self-killed 0-15 -Darth

Adminned at 12 May 2010 08:57:57 UTC

Add a dynastic rule called “Thin Thighs in 30 Days” to the ruleset, with text as follows:

FIRST: Every person in the fleet, who though cowardice, negligence, or disaffection, shall forbear to pursue the chase of any enemy, pirate or rebel, beaten or flying; or shall not relieve or assist a known friend in view to the utmost of his power; being convicted of any such offense by the sentence of a court martial, shall suffer death.  (Royal Navy Articles of War, 1757)  Each Blognomicker who has not suffered a Court Martial and is not a Criminal is a person in the fleet.

SECOND: And God spake all these words, saying: “I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.  Thou shalt have no other gods before me.  Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.  Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; and shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.  Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.  Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.  Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:  But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:  For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.  Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.  Thou shalt not kill.  Thou shalt not commit adultery.  Thou shalt not steal.  Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.  Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour’s.  (Exodus 20).  The second person pronoun (including the forms “Thou”, “Thee” and “Thy” in this paragraph SECOND refers to each Blognomicker, and “statements in the form “thou shalt”, “thou shalt not” and correlative forms are to be interpreted as commands or prohibitions.



05-10-2010 01:21:25 UTC

imperial  Hooktastic.  I’m a little afraid.


05-10-2010 01:44:25 UTC

This has no hooks, actually, as far as I can tell.


05-10-2010 01:47:06 UTC

I believe IenpwIII can declare any word in the proposal to be a hook, per 2.3.2


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05-10-2010 02:37:23 UTC

against  after reading it, due to the quoting from the Bible. Please don’t shove religion into BlogNomic; it already complicates the rest of my life.


05-10-2010 02:39:15 UTC

Also, after READING said Biblical quotation, I see the “Thou shalt have no other gods before me”. This means that only Abrahamists and atheists are allowed to play.

Ienpw III:

05-10-2010 04:34:15 UTC

Actually, darth, it’s just saying that the LORD spake those words, not that they actually have effect.

Darknight: HE/HIM

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05-10-2010 08:00:10 UTC

against too long, and has too many possible hooks.

Kevan: HE/HIM

05-10-2010 08:10:05 UTC

against Amusing, though.


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Ienpw III:

05-10-2010 16:10:46 UTC

against Per Galdyn.


05-10-2010 16:43:24 UTC

@Ienpw: It gives a definition of “thou shalt” that means they /do/ have effect, namely that it is illegal not to be a member of an Abrahamic religion (or an atheist, since then you’re not putting any gods before the Abrahamic god, you’re putting a /lack/ of a god before the Abrahamic god).

Also, Firefox’s spellchecker doesn’t recognize the word Abrahamic. Its suggestions are Abraham, Abrahan, Abrasion, and Abracadabra.


05-10-2010 16:45:01 UTC

As above, plus I don’t feel like wading through so much dense Biblical prose. It did make me laugh, though.

Ienpw III:

05-10-2010 16:54:21 UTC

All the rule is saying is that God said those things, not that they are binding: ‘And God spake all these words, saying: “I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.  Thou shalt have no other gods before me.”’
So a rule could contradict the quotation, saying that you may have gods before God, but a rule could not contradict the rule, which said that God said those words.


05-10-2010 17:38:18 UTC

Darth is correct that the definition of “thou shalt” per the last sentence of SECOND would make them true commands and prohibitions within the context of the nomic, not merely part of a quote.

Darth is wrong that it specifically enforces religion outside of the nomic: the concept of “having other gods before the LORD” is not (yet) defined in this nomic, and it can’t be enforced outside of the nomic any more than a nomic rule stating “Thou shalt not eat cheese, it is an abomination and unclean to you” would affect my choice of dinner tonight.


05-10-2010 17:53:41 UTC

@spikebrennan: In your example, I’d try and think up a punishment for you eating cheese if you ate cheese and were a player of the nomic. (Of course, the punishment would be in-game; depending on where the anti-cheese rule was, the punishment could be, at max, banning you from the nomic in question.)

Jumblin McGrumblin:

05-10-2010 21:33:52 UTC

against Per Galdyn.


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05-11-2010 22:31:53 UTC

Hear me, o Israel:
Yea, for rthis one is consigned to the fiery pits of Gehenna