Relics were not ever but into the bag spike. Nor did I grant the speed wish, as u yourself said that if ya first wish wasn’t granted then the second didn’t count as a wish. And new location, new 24hr count down.

  per DK

The only thing that should have been in the bag when I made it was London Ontario, nothing more.

The ruleset makes it absolutely clear that if A contains B and B contains C, then A contains C.  Therefore everything in the Universe is in the bag, which I possess.

Wait… Ok, after a reread I see ya logic. However by the wording of the relic rule, your not tech in London, so you don’t tech have the relics.

to be fair, I’m like half asleep atm. Long day so I might not be thinking clearly. I’ll see what everyone else has to say.

I don’t understand your response.  My location is irrelevant.  My possession of the Relics doesn’t depend on the 24-hour period mentioned in the “Relics” rule elapsing.  It depends upon the Universe (and, by necessary implication, all Relics) being in the bag, which I possess.

Again, half alseep. Seeing that ya posted more or less at the same time lol.

Possessing the bag doesn’t mean that you are the “holder” of all four amulets. You’d still need to be granted them by the Djinn after being in their location for 24 hours.

Because London, Ontario was part of Earth when ais’s wish was made, it is not part of the point that is Earth. Therefore, the point that is Earth is not within the Bag of London. Therefore, the relics are not in the Bag of London. Q.E.D.

Also, my vote doesn’t count; I’m idle.

Posted at the same time as NOI.

Tech Darth, London Ontario wasn’t part of Earth per say. Since its in a bag and not connected it wasn’t effected by the wish.

That’s exactly what I meant to say, DK. I typoed and didn’t type the “not”.

I don’t think this would even allow you to possess the “Amulet of the Ghul” seeing as alethiophile has it, and the dijinnijiini has not re hidden it in any location. Technically we are all ON the location point(We were not shrunk), so even if the point was in the bag, the people would not be.

Thanks Tec, I had forgotten that one of the amulets was found. I really should take a nap now.

1. London, Ontario is a Location.
2. London, Ontario is in the Bag.
3. The set “Universe” includes all Locations.
4. The Universe page provides that “Earth has shrunk to a single point, Funafuti (the capital of Tuvalu).”  Per Darknight: “such that all locations on it become the same(ais wording). This has the indirect result of also moving all relics to said location as well.”
5. If all Locations are the same, then Funafuti is in the Bag.
6. The Ruleset is clear that if A contains B and B contains C, then A contains C.
7. By necessary implication, by possessing the Bag, I possess everything in the Bag, including the Relics.

Therefore, Socrates is mortal.  Wait, what?

The fact that other Adventurers also possess amulets is also irrelevant.  The adventurers and their respective Relics are in the Bag which is carried by me so I also carry those Relics.

I believe that point 1 is incorrect, as it had been shrunken into the Bag.

Also, the Adventurers are not in the bag.

Spike, it’s a decent argument, but I don’t buy it. I still don’t think that your possession of the bag is a sufficient condition for you to win. Relics are either “carried” or out there in the world. You can only be granted a Relic by the Djinn. Even if the whole world is in your bag, you are not the holder of the relics as per my reading of 2.9.

adventurers are not in the set “Universe” we are above the universe.

Adventurers are at their respective Locations. There is only one Locayion and it is in the Bag. Therefore Adventurers are in the Bag.

Um.. no, London Ontario was immune to ais’ wish do to the fact that it was in a bag and not on earth, per say.

I still believe that my DoV is soundly reasoned, and I rest my case.  Before you vote, consider this: what is the alternative result?  24 hours elapse since the enactment of AIS’s wish and then, what, exactly?  An arbitrary assignment of Relics followed by a grind of Gloves, re-acquisition of Gloves, rinse, repeat?  My solution is more elegant.

Yours only seems it cause ya don’t know what ais’ 3rd wish was.

You don’t have the Ghul amulet. I fished it out, then got it robbed, but it’s not in frickin’ Phoonaphooey (or whatever the hell it is).

The kilogram example in the Ruleset expressly covers this situation.

There are plenty of wishes left. A single wish could wipe out the “problem” of the point Universe.

Also, with respect to the kilogram. As I stated, even assuming that ALL the relics are in your bag, you still wouldn’t be “carrying” them in the sense that 2.9 requires, as far as I can tell, since the Djinn never granted them to you.

What NOI just said. Also, DoVs don’t have implicit author votes; spike’ll have to make an EAV.

The fact of the matter is that you have to have the amulets IN YOUR HANDS AT THAT MOMENT in order to post a DoV, not “borderline, yeah, practically”. You don’t have it, and you have to now sweat out those remaining hours as everyone will undoubtedly find some wish to yank those amulets right out of your hands.

Sorry.

I like it, but I’m idle. 

also: per se.

Oh get off my grammer lol

You do not hold the relics, in the sense required by the ruleset, simply by holding the relic that contains them all in-universe. You might have a decent case for immediately gaining all still-hidden relics after 24 hours, but that wouldn’t include mine.

I agree with spike’s logic saying that he is the “holder” of 3 of the Amulets. But the Amulet of Ghul is still carried by alethiophile and since the Adventurers are not part of the Earth and are not in the bag spike still does not possess the last amulet needed to win.

The question still remains, however: what happens to all the unclaimed relics? The ruleset states that a relic must be hidden or carried by *an* adventurer, which implies that it can’t be held by more than one. The ruleset implies that it would be at the Djinn’s discretion, but what else could be done?

I’ve thought about that like a chess player does during those 30 mins between each move. Right now I know how to solve this.

I like it.

As far as I can tell: I shrank the Earth to a point. London, Ontario was not on the Earth at the time (it was inside the Bag of London instead), so it probably wasn’t affected.

Ais: London never stopped being a Location- there’s no justification for the contrary position.  Your wish affected all Locations.

FYI, this is now timed out and failed. I’m not sure of the protocol for failing a DoV, so I’m not doing it myself.

Hmm… I don’t really want to break this post having exactly 42 comments, but   after reading through the ruleset. Nice one ; )

Incidentally, doesn’t this mean that the Bag of London is now technically the Klein Bottle of London, if we’re following Spike’s argument?