Saturday, August 13, 2011

Proposal: I never knowingly look gift horses in their mouths

Timed out 1 vote to 4. Failed by Kevan.

Adminned at 15 Aug 2011 16:53:12 UTC

As per the discussion in Fweep: Crate Accompli, we’re working off illegal gamestate due to an unreverted illegal edit by Blacky a few weeks ago. Keven has backtracked the effects and determined that he and Blacky are both 1 frag better off than they would be had the crate’s effects not been in play.

Therefore, reduce Kevan and Blacky’s Frags by 1 apiece and treat the resultant gamestate to be legal as of the time of the enactment of this proposal.


Kevan: Oracle he/him

13-08-2011 20:46:47 UTC

against You can just reduce the Frags in the GNDT, you don’t need a proposal. (If anything, this proposal means our Frags could be legally reduced twice.)

Out of interest, did you avoid making this a CfJ because CfJs are taking such a very long time to pass, these days? I’m wondering if it’s time to drop the four-day timeout down to two days.

Josh: he/him

13-08-2011 21:19:17 UTC

I could just reduce the frags but I wanted the gamestate to be legalised, and that requires a votable matter. Otherwise it’s possible to argue that players would have made different decisions under different circumstances and insist that the gamestate is actually rolled back. Thus the “gamestate is now legal” clause, which incidentally also immunises you from having your frags lowered twice (except, if someone was feeling really unscrupulous, by having the enacting admin reduce your frags before enacting this prop - which I think would be overturned reasonably quickly.)

Not a CfJ because I didn’t think that there’d actually be that much disagreement - this has exactly the same ultimate effect as your own proposal after all.


14-08-2011 07:07:30 UTC


Prince Anduril:

14-08-2011 11:10:16 UTC


Prince Anduril:

14-08-2011 13:56:33 UTC

CoV against

redtara: they/them

14-08-2011 16:06:33 UTC

against Per Kevan. Unless his CFJ passes, he has one less frag than is recorded in the GNDT.

redtara: they/them

14-08-2011 17:54:12 UTC

It’s actually a proposal but my point still stands.

Kevan: Oracle he/him

14-08-2011 19:05:00 UTC

And you’re probably down one Frag yourself, because if I didn’t kill Kitty then some later moves were illegal and I probably didn’t push Anduril onto that Propellor Panel, so you couldn’t have killed him, etc. Either we revert nothing or we revert everything.

Prince Anduril:

15-08-2011 11:18:19 UTC

lol. This gets such a mess when we try and revert things. Perhaps it would be best to not revert anything.