Tuesday, November 20, 2007

Proposal: I want what he’s got

Self Killed - Failed by Chivalrybean

Adminned at 21 Nov 2007 09:52:37 UTC

Create a new Dynastic Rule “Trading” with the text:

Valkyries may transfer any of their Einherjar to any other Valkyrie by posting a story post that announces the transfers.  Transfers may be made conditional on another transfer being made (for example, Valkyrie “X” may announce “I transfer Einherjar “A” to Valkyrie “Y”, conditioned upon Valkyrie “Y” transferring Einherjar “B” and “C” to me.) All effects of a transfer take place as soon as all parties involved vote FOR on the transfer post.

Give spike a cookie.

Comments

Chivalrybean:

20-11-2007 16:19:33 UTC

Sounds far less complicated and easier and less finicky for

Kevan: he/him

20-11-2007 16:29:37 UTC

That middle sentence doesn’t do anything, and is misleading; if somebody declares a conditional transfer, there’s nothing that actually checks that condition, it’s just down to the FOR votes.

Which is fine - we just don’t need that sentence.

for

aaronwinborn:

20-11-2007 16:37:02 UTC

for

Amnistar: he/him

20-11-2007 16:55:37 UTC

well, it’s saying you can offer a trade, rather than a transfer.  If it’s condition, one of the effects would be the conditions…so, if everyone votes FOR that is involved, then the condition happens.

Hix:

20-11-2007 17:12:59 UTC

I think a cleaner execution would have the story post simply describe which Einherjar are transferred from which Valkyries to which Valkyries.  And then it all resolves simultaneously once all involved Valkyries vote FOR.  Optionally, resolution can be additionally dependent upon some other conditions to be specified in the post.

Amnistar: he/him

20-11-2007 17:21:20 UTC

that was the idea

Hix:

20-11-2007 18:09:06 UTC

against I can’t get past the wording.  Kevan is right, the “conditional” sentence is misleading and doesn’t do anything, and even if it did, then “conditional on another transfer being made” implies that _another_ story post must be made to satisfy the condition.

Look at the proposed rule carefully, and consider what must happen for an Einherjar to be transferred from Valkyrie A to anyone else.  This can only happen as a result of a story post made by Valkyrie A (I’m not buying that conditions are effects—that’s not what conditional means).  Which means that it takes several story posts to effect a complicated trade.

I mean, you call the Rule “trading”, so why is all the ruletext described in terms of one-way transfers which are possibly _conditional_ on other one-way transfers?

Amnistar: he/him

20-11-2007 18:12:21 UTC

well, if oyu wanna reword it’, I’ll s/k and re-propose, i’ve got the slot.

Kevan: he/him

20-11-2007 18:18:20 UTC

I’m a bit uncomfortable with “all effects of a transfer” in the final sentence, if anybody’s rewording it - it feels like you might be able to get away with a post of “I give Richard III to Bucky and he wins the game”.

Amnistar: he/him

20-11-2007 18:27:03 UTC

against S/K for the reason Kevan just put up…wow…that could have been bad.  Someone reword, I suck at that part.

Hix:

20-11-2007 18:37:08 UTC