BlogNomic: The First Dynasty of Desertfrog

Even if this gets voted down, someone should fix the spelling of “Sequence”.

The section of Proposal: Doppleganger called “Part 1” has no game effect and should not have been enacted by Darth Cliche.

I am against this per the comments on said proposal.

Furthermore, Darth Cliche neglected to properly follow Rule 1.5 Enactment by failing to “mark his name, and report the final tally of votes”.

A genuine mistake on my part, but easily remedied.

“Rules may be referred to by their type, entire number and name or type and name” is just an optional “may”, it’s not a “must”, and I’m not even sure why we’ve got it in the ruleset. The enactment of Doppelganger seems fine from here; “list of spells” is entirely unambiguous.

And yes, Darth was 100% wrong to assert that your earlier proposal “does nothing”. He might want to dial back that air of authority, now that he’s encouraged a new player to self-kill two proposals unnecessarily.

Kevan has a point; however, previously I’ve seen proposals do nothing due to that sentence.

Because common-sense provisions are more fun than any drive for legal exactitude.

; consider that “should” doesn’t actually do anything, so that if this passes, nothing changes.

“Should” is defined in the glossary as “is required to”. Sharpen up before calling no effect, people.

Ahem. “Should: ‘is recommended that’”. No actual game effect.

Yeah Kevan. Didn’t you write this version of the Glossary?

My mistake, I was reading the definition for “shall” above it.

But this is a CfJ - a player has raised a concern and is recommending a solution. If we vote in favour, then “the Gamestate and Ruleset shall be amended as was specified” - we’re voting on the removal of the rule, not the idle consideration of whether it should or shouldn’t be.

Why all the fiddly nitpicking, suddenly? It never used to be like this.

I agree with that last paragraph entirely - it started being like this around arth’s dynasty.

Kevan is right, that’s a “may”. That was a mistake on my part. What was NOT a mistake on my part was my opinion of Darth Cliche’s attitude. I’ll chalk this up to a learning experience and I think I know how to deal with Darth in the future. I’ve run into people like him before.

As a general guideline though… for things that are neither explicitly allowed nor explicitly forbidden, are they implicitly forbidden or implicitly allowed?

@NOI: My noting that your first proposal had no effect was, itself, a mistake on my part.

And a for things that are neither explicitly allowed nor explicitly forbidden, they are allowed if they do not directly affect gamestate, and forbidden if they do directly affect gamestate.

@NOI: DC isn’t bad, he’s caught the nitpicking fever that all of us have. Now, if you want to see people who REALLY enjoy arguments, there are a few of those lurking around here too. :p

@DC: Yep, I sure learned the “Not expressly allowed” thing back in the 4th Meta….

I suppose it’s theoretically possible that it’s coincidental that the entirety of my time here, DC has just APPEARED to be antagonistic to me and ACCIDENTALLY offered consistently poor information. I am, however, a skeptic by nature… Ockham’s Razor and all that. If I’m wrong, I have no doubt that a larger sample size of his behavior will be more illustrative.

I suppose that’s a good attitude, I think.

@NOI: That’s a bit harsh, don’t you think?

My interactions with DC consist of him: telling me my proposal wouldn’t work because of a “technicality” (he was wrong)... which resulted in me using all three proposals for a day, and then he stole my proposal including a provision to autofail any more of mine. Next he responds to my first CfJ with an unhelpful remark (note that there wasn’t actually a problem with it). Then he miraculously likes my next two proposals and I think things are OK. Then he goes insane with the veto nonsense. Then he starts his own rogue Nomic game within this blog. Then he gives me “advice” on my double proposal causing me to end up with a dead proposal weighing me down for two days. Then he’s the only one who decides to vote against my Snack proposal because of the “technicality” about the placement of the DICEX text (which he relents on when Bucky supports it). Then he’s offensively condescending and suddenly doesn’t care about technicalities when I raise the issue of the wording of the Doppelganger proposal. Granted, that was an error on my part, but DC either didn’t realize that I was actually technically wrong (and was just being difficult) or knew it and didn’t point it out (more “helpfulness”).

If you don’t want to read the whole thing, that’s fine, but I don’t think I’m unreasonable in my initial impression of DC.

Change the text reading: “DC either didn’t realize that I was actually technically wrong (and was just being difficult)”

to say: “DC either didn’t realize that I was actually technically wrong (and he was just being difficult)”

The “technicality” was a mistake of mine; the “stealing” is common when new players have problems with proposals, most players find it helpful, and the autofailing was to make sure we didn’t end up with two or more spells with the same activation sequence; the “veto nonsense” is a reference to the First Dynasty of Devenger; Weblog Nomic can be blamed on Ienpw III for doing the exact same thing within Fresh Nomic; I don’t know what “advice” you’re talking about. The Snack and Doppelganger proposals I will admit were mean, though I’ve been depressed lately due to RL problems.

The “advice” was to self-kill, rather than edit out the proposal category. If you’ve got RL problems, I’m sorry… my distaste for your behavior in this game doesn’t mean I wish you ill in reality. That said, I feel that my opinion about your game behavior thusfar is justified, but I’m not one to hold a grudge if you don’t plan on being “mean” long-term. Bygones?

Note that I didn’t use the letter “e” in my ECV for Bedtime Bedtime. ;)

Bygones.

Also, the advice… well, it was legitimate. I had forgotten that it was even legal to edit out the proposal category.

Hey, now, don’t try to shift the blame onto me! You know perfectly well that just because an idea is tried in one nomic does not mean it has to be implemented here.

  I’m with NOI here, DC.  you’ve been being superior towards him.  If you’re going to act as if you know all the answers, you damn well better know all the answers.

, but you two short sort this out. Making proposals unfair to DC is NOT really the best way to mend rekations between you two.

@Wak,Ex: We just did sort it out.

Affirmative. It’s sorted. Also, note that the rider on my other proposal was a) not the effect I had in mind, and b) nothing I expected to actually be enacted anyway. :)