Thursday, April 11, 2013

Proposal: Income

Vetoed. -RaichuKFM

Adminned at 11 Apr 2013 17:56:13 UTC

Enact a new rule entitled “Income”:

Once per week, a noble may choose to do one, and only one, of the following:

Collect Taxes:
A noble may collect wealth from all of their vassals directly below their title. A Duke may collect a maximum of 5 wealth per Earldom,  an Earl may collect a maximum of 3 wealth from each Barony. When collecting, a noble must collect from all possible vassals. If a Vassal cannot pay the requisite amount, they must borrow money (this does not count as their weekly action).
In order to take this action in a Proper manner, the noble must provide each of their vassals with 1 knight from their supply.

Borrow Money:
A noble may borrow any amount of money, which will be tracked in the GNDT wealth column in the following format: “[wealth Noble has] (B wealth noble owes)]” (e.g. “6 (B 2)”). For every week a noble fails to pay back the full amount of what they owe, an additional 10% (rounded up to the nearest integer) is added to the amount they owe. A noble who owes money may not achieve victory or purchase a title.

Farm Crops:
A noble may roll 2 DICE6. They gain wealth equal to the higher number rolled.

Declare Bankruptcy:
A noble may choose to reset their wealth to 0 (getting rid of all debt). If they do so, they loose one title per 5 wealth they owe, starting from their highest title. They also loose 5 dignity.

I think that as we add things to buy, borrowing money will become more useful. Obviously there is a risk with borrowing, which is why there is no defined limit but there are restrictions to ensure that this isn’t exploited.



11-04-2013 02:46:43 UTC

against Too random. Nobles have to pay 1 wealth to Titles they hold Lordship over, but can collect 3-5 from them weekly? From whom does a Noble borrow money, or does it just come out of thin air, and how is a debt paid back? Most pressingly though, farm work is unsuitable for a Noble; goodness, acquire a farmer!

RaichuKFM: she/her

11-04-2013 02:46:54 UTC

against On the first point; it’s a bit over-powered for whomever gets an earldom first. Fan of the borrowing and farming, though.

RaichuKFM: she/her

11-04-2013 02:48:24 UTC

I had assumed you were collecting from serfs living in your Barony/County/Duchy.


11-04-2013 03:12:25 UTC

For balance issues:
It’s not actually that overpowered, as you’d be able to get 1-6 wealth every week through farming. You’d have to have at least 2 Baronies for this to be definitively better than farming. Also, there is the (potential) cost of 2 armies which is an additional 4 wealth. I realize that this gives an advantage to those who get earldoms first, but those who get earldoms should get an advantage. The trick is to create counterbalances in other rules, i.e. rules for impeachments or overtaking titles, etc. I’m willing to try to tweak this more, but, personally, I’m a fan of the taxing mechanic.


11-04-2013 07:16:42 UTC

against For future reference, it’s generally preferred to use Weekly Actions for these mechanics.


11-04-2013 14:41:24 UTC



12-04-2013 00:55:14 UTC

cov: veto with several things waiting to pass and it being unlikely this will pass I am doing this to get it out of the way