Thursday, February 26, 2009

Incorrectly failed proposals?

What happened here? I count three FOR, four blank DEFERENTIAL and one AGAINST, but Devenger failed it. And I’m not sure what he meant by “Timed out after 48 hours, 3-1-3”.

This also appears to have been failed incorrectly, despite Devenger apparently counting four FOR, one AGAINST and five blank DEFERENTIALs. Are you mistakenly assuming that proposals automatically fail if they haven’t had a quorum of total votes, Devenger? Or is that an actual rule that’s snuck in somewhere that I can’t see it?

posted by Kevan at 26 Feb 2009 17:17:01 UTC Comments (3)

Comments

Devenger:

26-02-2009 21:04:38 UTC

Okay, I missed the part of the rule saying DEFERENTIAL votes aren’t votes unless the Emperor votes. I’m surprised that’s how it works, actually… I’ll enact those proposals.

By the way, you might want to stop using that tone. Mistakes are made, especially when I’m having to admin every bloody proposal. As I noted in the admin comment, I feel pretty awful today, only to come on and see a proposal at 60 hours…

Kevan: he/him

26-02-2009 21:15:03 UTC

Agh, sorry, I didn’t mean that to come across as critical, just a neutral challenge to something that I couldn’t understand. You probably caught me in the middle of a lot of boring, neutral work emails. The adminning is always appreciated.

What were you assuming happened with DEFERENTIALs - that they defaulted to AGAINSTs? I guess that’d shake people off the fence a bit, if they don’t know whether the General is actually going to vote. But there’s some sense in “deferring to the General” meaning that if the General abstains from voting, you do the same.

Devenger:

26-02-2009 21:20:09 UTC

I assumed that regardless of whether the General votes and gives them definition, DEF votes are still votes. Thus the condition ‘It has been open for voting for at least 48 hours and half or fewer of its votes are FOR.’ would be met by both proposals. The line I missed was ‘If no General has voted on a proposal, a vote of DEFERENTIAL on that proposal does not count as a vote for the purposes of Rule 1.5. ‘, which I missed because I only looked at Rule 1.5 itself.

Anyway, all resolved now.