I dunno, I really feel like the parallel art-is-worth-money game might be less interesting than the art-which-fits-the-brief game.

Or to put it another way, I think that the money game could be a game in its own right, and bulking it up while the “main” game is still a factor adds layers of complexity that I’m just not up for.

I’m fine with money being a secondary currency but not one that requires a whole simulated economy

How else would you make money a secondary currency?

I see money being just that, currency people can use for various gameplay purposes that can be used to obtain the overall goal of earning more kudos.

in that regard, you need a way to turn your collection into money, hence the sale submissions; and then you also might as well have an alternative way to buy art incase you want to try some sort of investment heavy strategy. that hopefully will open up some interesting gameplay decisions—do you go for money early hoping to use it to boost yourself later in the dynasty or do you just try and rack up kudos now and hope that is enough that others can’t catch up?

I think that I like this rule. The most interesting application of this rule to me is that it could possibly introduce an aspect of trying to collect sets of art, or something like that.

Per Josh, this does feel like too much of an additional game.

On further consideration,  .

is adding an additional side game really a bad thing?

the lack of new proposals makes it feel like the current isn’t offering players enough of a hook to do new interesting things with.

adding a side game could provide a better surface for people to start attaching hooks to

i dont particularly like money-shuffling games but i feel like clucky is right about hooks :o

Keep in mind everybody that this proposal will also move paintings around.

[Clucky] This feels more like a new and cognitively larger game, than a side game, and a signal that we’re ready to let the image-finding thing atrophy.

@Kevan how so?

To me, its just the logical extension of getting currency into place, which is what collections seemed to be setting up. I don’t want the value of your collection to be an alternative win condition, I want the goal still to be to collect Kudos. So allowing you to spend your collection seems like the right way to go.

For that, you need a way to sell art. Hence the sale submissions. (Want to do everything by the round, because this dynasty has a 2-day cadence to it and if you can do actions outside that cadence could leave people feeling like they need to wait until the end to make their moves to react to other moves)

We could leave it there. But like Trapdoorspyder mentions, moving art around has good gameplay opportunities though. And the action system the fairest way to do that

Finally, the appreciation system is there to make sure you don’t just sell your art right after you get it.

So which part of that do you cut out to achieve the goal of getting currency into place without over complicating things?

Oh, I hadn’t seen (and still don’t really see) any need to “get currency into place”. The artworks in this game are just a bunch of objects with numerical ratings attached to them. We could trade those or cash them in for Kudos without having to track individual pools of money, at any point.

to me turning art directly into kudos feels a bit like a missed opportunity. I see more potential in a gameplay loop of get cash -> use that cash to do cool abilities that allow you to get more cash or kudos

anyways, I’m gonna leave this open unless it starts blocking the queue cause I like auction mechanic, but have done a new version without the auctions

“get cash -> use that cash to do cool abilities that allow you to get more cash or kudos”

I think that also works fine as with “art” replacing “cash” (“get more cash” could be a way to “get more art”, picking up unsold titles from earlier rounds). I quite like the thematic possibility that as Brokers we can’t necessarily afford any of these paintings ourselves, and are just holding fancy gallery launch events and private viewings for the Kudos.

I think that might be too limiting on what people can do.

Say you want an action that costs $1000. You need a $1000 piece of art to do that, suddenly your $5000 art is kinda worthless because it can only be used on really big actions.

That can work. A Broker reluctantly declines to host a minor promotional event at their gallery because the guests might clamber over Umschreibung and damage it, and it’s all they’ve got. But the Broker down the road in the scuzzy basement studio with a collection of smaller $1000 pieces can live with one of them being broken or going missing.

I think I’ll change my vote to since Seller’s Market seems to have more potential.