It wasn’t illegal to remove the action, and it wasn’t an illegal action in the first place.

CoV   after reading the third paragraph and everything after it.

Not sure what you mean by third paragraph?

RODALN…aw, forget it.

I’ve had it with Wakky’s inability to care about Blognomic’s rules.

COV because I can

If Amni thinks that I should go even now, then I guess I’d better go.

By the way, the time sig. thing was a post I made on time delay, gut the delay didn’t work right, so I had to change the time to get it to show up. No “evidence hiding” misdeed there.

There are only 2 actions in this entire post which warrent the attention of the group within the rules.  That is the posting as Qwaz, which is not entirely Wak’s fault (though it is his fault).  Qwaz, you should be logging out when you leave the computer, it’s part of your responsibility as a player of blognomic that shares a living space and a computer with another player.

The editing of the comment is, again, not entirely wak’s fault, but the blame falls between wak and darth.  Wak does not have the power to edit other comments, and editing posts is illegal and the action after doing so should be to revert a post back to the original position. 

As for your family’s personal issues with Wak playing the game, I am sorry to hear about them, I am, but the inability for wak to put his personal life before a game is not a reason to ban him from the game.  If your mother or father feels that the best course of action is to prevent him from playing the game, that is one thing, but I see no reason to ban him from playing the game for the actions he has done so far.

I say this not because he hasn’t performed actions that are problematic, but because I feel that whatever punishment we decide to meet out to Wak should then be shared by you Qwaz, and by Darth.  And I do not think this is a situation which deserve to have three individuals removed from the game.

The other incidents which you mentioned occured prior to the major warning that was given publicly, and a private conversation which I had with Wak, who expressed great interest in this game, and remaining a part of it.  I gave wak some advice, which he has been following with the exception of posting as qwaz, which, as I’ve said, is not entirely his fault.

Indeed, the only action he took that was bannable was using my account. It is notable (rule-wise) that there is no requirement for me to log out every time I get up from the computer; that would waste time and be counter-productive. It is, however, expressly forbidden for him to post as me. This is a bannable offense.

This is not the first time Wak has committed the offense. He repeadtedly has done so and does not seem to be able to stop. Moreover, he has taken many actions which impede the progress of the game. The reason this is relevent is because there is no reason to continue granting Wakukee amnesty. He repeatedly does things that are destructive to BlogNomic.

It makes sense to pardon a first time offender, or someone who makes a few mistakes. It does not make sense to continue pardoning Wakukee.

I am sincerely sorry about this, but I AM taking actions to stop. As Amni said, the soldiers who were around for there “impedeing actions” have already recieved a formal appology and announcement of attempt to reform, and if they want to post it publically, they can.

By the way, here are the actions that led up to the only post as him I have meade since that appology: Following a long streach of time during which qwaz had been deprived of sleep and became ill (and apparenly was even having involuntary muscle spasms), he returned from pep band, dragging me behind him, as soon as he could and immediately went to sleep. He claimed to be incredibly tired. I got onto the computer, and after about an hour got off to go to the bathroom. During the time I was off, he got up (even though he was so incredably tired), logged out of my account, logged on to his (I don’t even know if he posted in this time), and then went back to bed. I returned and posted without realizing that he had done this. Am I seriously supposed to forsee this? Why would I suspect that he would do that? Seriously!

Keep your family politics within your family guys or else I’ll support banning both of you. There is no need to bring that stuff into Blognomic.

Amen.

I rather ban both, though.

This whole thing is such a pile of manure. Any more of this and I’ll support banning both of you (even though I understand both sides).

I refuse to vote on this but I’ve got a suggestion to stop Wak posting as Quaz. Have you tried setting your browser up to delete cookies whenever it’s closed?

I see that Wakukee has been deliberately “controlling” Qwazukee’s account, in any meaningful way. And that’s all this is about. Darth’s edit of Wakukee’s non-vote comment wasn’t in any way illegal (although it will be once this passes), and the whole “demi-admin glitch” canard is cold and dead now.

Typo, there - I obviously mean that I don’t see that Wakukee has been deliberately controlling Qwazukee’s account, in any meaningful way.

I am heartily sick and tired of the whole situation but I dont believe that this would solve the problem. Couldn’t we limit the two players to one blognomic identity - if they want to play they could make some compromises instead of airing thier dirty laundry here?

SPARTAAAAAA

CoV ... whoa… that’s a lot of reasons for voting against this.

I don’t see why you want to let Wakukee continue screwing with things into infinity, but hey, it’s your BlogNomic too. The guy can wheel and deal like none other, always coming up with excuses for his mistakes and somehow getting off with it. If there are problems in the future, don’t blame me. I’m so sick of getting the flack because you guys don’t trust him (constant threats of banning, not allowed to be an admin). If you don’t trust him that much, and he’s broken the rules, what is the next logical step? How many chances does this guy get?

The only rule I can see he’s possibly broken is “A single person may not control more than one Soldier within BlogNomic”, but all he’s actually done there is leave a comment of “I don’t think they would pass, and people might be mad at me.” under your name, because you left yourself logged in. By itself, I wouldn’t call this “controlling more than one Soldier”.

Are there any other rules he’s broken?

I have no idea what he posted. It was deleted or edited before I could see it. All I know is that he said something as me, then thought it such egregious error that he prevented me from seeing it. I think it is obvious why I am uncomfortable with allowing this situation to continue.

This is the only illegal set of actions that I’ve seen him commit in the last week or so, yes.

No. It wasn’t even deleted. My post was, and it is back.

It was definitely edited, at your request.

Is everything there the same as it was before?

The post under your name was never edited, and everything is now pretty much the same as it was before.

I’m at wits end with this. More so because it seems that you two have started using blognomic to air ya dirty laundry, if ya will, in front of all of us. While I’ll admit that Wak has been trying to play fair, I can’t help but think that you two bicker with each other in RL and have been dragging it here. I’m gonna be fair to Wak since this time its not all his fault and vote but Quaz I’m gonna give you both fair warning. If another ban proposal comes up against you two again, I will vote for its passing.

Asking an admin to edit one of your own comments was not an illegal action at the time (it is now, as a result of this proposal passing, but it wasn’t a banning offence yesterday).

But if you two can’t work out this silly bullshit between yourselves, and soon, I’ll happily vote to ban both of you.

Has nothing to do with “dirty laundry,” I just thought you guys were sick of it. Shouldn’t have given any reasons other than the offense he just committed. Actually, the idea for a ban came from DC, although I think I misinterpreted his suggestion in that he misinterpreted the situation. Whatever, if you wanna overlook him posting as me as not “controlling” me, then

But remember this, and in the future, don’t blame me for his actions.

Well bringing details of how things are going in your RL is affectivly airing ya dirty laundry here.

interestingly enough, even with the new proposal, Wak asking for darth to edit that comment isn’t illegal, just darth editing it is.

And again, part of your responsibility as members sharing the same computer is to LOG OUT after you’re done.  I know it’s not in the rules, but the rules say that when we expect this to happen that we should ban all the accounts, not just one of them, so you’re both responsible for making sure you’re not logged in.  Set the site to not remember you, close the browser when you’re done, etc.

I am impressed about the patience had by other Blognomic members. I would have already banned them both for all the trouble they’ve caused. If anything, they have been a disruptive influence in an otherwise mostly ordered community.

Excluding, say, this proposal, which I believe is necessary for establishing the precedent that posting as another player is not a bannable offense, when have I been a “disruptive influence?”

Well, since I have announced reform and made only one small post as you, I’d say that this shouldn’t be excluded. I have done nothing wrong since my formal apology and do not intend to do anything wrong. What don’t you get about that?

I think it’s important to establish that accidental posting is not a bannable offense, as it had been a gray area before.

The referendum is back on that now, so I self-killed.