Friday, May 12, 2017

Proposal: Keep your fingers off my bear

Self-killed failed by card

Adminned at 13 May 2017 16:42:08 UTC

In the section “Auctions”, after

To create an Auction, a Manager, henceforth referred to as the Auctioneer, creates a story post containing the identity of the Blogger being auctioned and, optionally, the Duration of the auction, defaulting to 48 hours if not specified.

Add the sentence

The Blogger being auctioned must be employed by the Auctioneer, unless the auction was created by the Commissioner as specified under “Recruitment”.

Undo any Blogger auctions since Friday, May 12th, 2017 that would be illegal under this new rule. This does not include these auctions:
https://blognomic.com/archive/auction_final_bowl_oversight

https://blognomic.com/archive/auction_the_time_machine

 

Currently everyone could simply destroy any and all bloggers, which doesn’t sound very fun.

Comments

Madrid:

12-05-2017 12:17:24 UTC

The Time Machine and the Overseeing are technically Blogger auctions, by our definition of Auctions.

First line in the “Auctions” section:

“An Auction is a post auctioning off the employment of a Blogger.”

Madrid:

12-05-2017 12:25:00 UTC

I personally find the killauctions to be super comfy though but I wouldn’t be opposed to removing it for, well, sheer self advantage reasons.

Please make it unambiguous that the Time Machine / Overseeing auctions wouldn’t be affected though. Regardless of the case I feel that it would be important.

Madrid:

12-05-2017 12:38:08 UTC

OH WAIT THIS ISNT ABOUT THE REGULAR KILL AUCTIONS, THIS IS ABOUT WEAPONIZING IT FOR MASS TERRORISM.

Oh fuck

Well, ok, yeah. I’d greentick this. (Please add the Time/Oversee fix though)

Also, I’d amend that “The Blogger being auctioned must be employed by the Auctioneer” to something else because or else “That Blogger then does not count as employed by the auctioning Manager for the purposes of all rules” will trigger and having Auctions at all will be impossible because the Bloggers MUST be employed yet they’ll always count as not being employed, so a legal Auction could never be done.

Sphinx:

12-05-2017 12:51:11 UTC

I’m not sure if this actually makes auctions illegal, since the auctioned blogger “then” doesn’t count as employed, so I guess they could still count as employed until my new restriction is satisfied. I don’t really have time right now to find a better wording unfortunately, seems pretty tricky with all the different rules regarding auctions.

Madrid:

12-05-2017 13:06:27 UTC

against Because of the possibility of making it impossible to auction due to how “The Blogger being auctioned must be employed by the Auctioneer” and “That Blogger then does not count as employed by the auctioning Manager for the purposes of all rules” interact and you stating that you don’t have more time to adjust this and I’m afraid of that staying there.

(We’re also currently protected by “Managers may not create Auctions except where specified elsewhere in the Ruleset.” and the only at-will auctions we can do has: “At any time, a Manager can create an Auction for a Blogger they employ with a Duration of their choice.” unless I’m overlooking something.)

Sphinx:

12-05-2017 13:14:17 UTC

True, but “To create an Auction, a Manager, henceforth referred to as the Auctioneer, creates a story post” could be read as specifying “elsewhere”.

Madrid:

12-05-2017 13:32:09 UTC

That explains the methodology via the which an Auction is made but doesn’t grant the power to perform it.

You gain no explicit permission to actually perform that action, just instructions about how that action is performed.

card:

12-05-2017 15:59:12 UTC

against

card:

12-05-2017 16:19:20 UTC

(obviously anyone who would attempt something like that would get slapped by a CfJ by the other players maybe with some deep teeth too)

Oracular rufio:

13-05-2017 00:13:28 UTC

I thought about exploiting this bug when it was introduced in order to gain good bloggers, but there were none that I wanted at the time and I realized it would just open the door to people stealing them back from me in the same manner.  I don’t think it would be the victim of a CFJ, though, as it’s perfectly within the rules as is to auction someone else’s blogger.

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus: he/they

13-05-2017 01:30:29 UTC

against

Sphinx:

13-05-2017 10:47:14 UTC

against S/K