Evil AI.

I don’t think this will matter very soon, but anyway…

  Kevan, at your leisure you can randomly determine either Rodney, myself, or yourself wins. And you have been forgetting the first arrow in Alien votes.

Whether, not either. Oops.

The Alien’s vote was correct both times I’ve used it - it is defined in the ruleset as “six voting icons in a row, followed by an [arrow]”.

Context on that previous proposal, incidentally, so that I’m not gaslighting anybody: nobody had commented on it after a whole thirty hours, so it was still legal for me to reword it - the original draft lacked the victory clause, which I added with mangled Chamber/Entrance clauses to hopefully disguise it a bit.

Oh, coulda sworn it had to be flanked by it. Sorry, I seem to be screwing things like that up lately. So I’ll update the count for correctness’s sake. You planning on doing that victory thing anytime soon?

To correct Raichu(as I read it), it states that it is chosen from the people that voted in favor of the proposal that enacted the rule. The rule ‘chambers’ was enacted by the proposal ‘shut up and keep digging’ not by ‘down and out’. ‘Down and out’ only edited or added to the rule. Kevan, Benzene, Rodney, RaichuKFM, Justice, Purplebeard, and I are eligible to win.

Ha, good point. I’d originally made it a Hive proposal so that it’d hit quorum more easily, but figured I might as well make people fight over teleporting to the Evil AI. But forgot to change that bit. I probably won’t be pressing this button any time soon.

Interesting how this has shown one of the problems of a Metadynasty - with no Emperor, every player is in it to win, and “stagnate the game so that you have more power over proposals, and hope your opponents get bored and idle out” is always a viable strategy. With an Emperor who has no interest in a personal victory, there’s always someone to break that silence.

To be honest, I think you should either press the button, or propose for it to be removed. If anyone has a greater than one-in-seven (one in six if Purplebeard doesn’t unidle.) chance to win, the game-theoretical response is to press the button and hope for the best. Alternately, you could press the button an infinite number of times, giving everyone the victory, and we’ll just see who has the best idea for a dynasty.

Also, ironically enough, had it been a hive proposal I could have double-FORed it when RaichuKFM was AGAINST, and it would have just been Kevan and I. C’est la vie.

Proposing to remove it myself would be the oldest trick in the book! I could just self-kill the proposal before it enacted.

Game theory for victory of a single game would work that way, but I’d also be choosing the Emperor for the next dynasty, which shouldn’t be done lightly.

@Kevan’s second paragraph: The other issue, I think, is a lack of clear direction. There’s no obvious way to win except by voting abuse, which, as we can see, has already been tried. This is not usually the case in Imperial Dynasties. I think a new Emperor should have at least a basic idea on how the Dynasty should end.

For example, my first Dynasty failed, I think, because it took way too long to achieve victory, and the path there wasn’t all that interesting. On the other hand, my second Dynasty succeed, in part, because the first proposals made it so that players would run out of water and go insane over time, putting a limiter on how long it would last. I forgot how exactly it ended, but I remember it ended with someone actually declaring victory.

I think Purplebeard said it best that the most exciting Dynasties are the ones with crazy, flashy effects. From my memories of favorite dynasties (Josh’s Time Travel, that crazy two-week-long one with the Fortress of Cheese and ending with haikus and limericks), that’s pretty much true.

I have more to say, but I’m out of time.

I don’t think that’s intrinsic to a Metadynasty - a victory condition can (and often does) come from someone other than the Emperor.

Self-kill.