Wednesday, February 21, 2007

Proposal: Making Movies…BACK IN TIME!

8-4. Timed Out.—Chronos

Adminned at 23 Feb 2007 10:47:42 UTC

Change the following text of the Rule Filmography:

Any Actor may add a new film and role to his Filmography, if e has not already done so that day or on any of the previous three days, with the following restrictions:-
A role of “Nth Minor Character” may only be added if the Actor has been an Extra in three earlier films.
A named role may only be added if the Actor has been an Nth Minor Character in three earlier films.

to:

Any Actor may add a new film and role to his Filmography, if e has not already done so that day or on any of the previous three days, with the following restrictions:-
A role of “Nth Minor Character” may only be added if the Actor has been an Extra in three films.
A named role may only be added if the Actor has been an Nth Minor Character in three films.

Because it just makes everyone’s lives easier

Comments

ChronosPhaenon:

21-02-2007 17:40:09 UTC

for

Tesla4D:

21-02-2007 17:40:38 UTC

for

snowballinhell7001:

21-02-2007 17:47:59 UTC

I chose my movies just to fit with the earlier ruleset. This doesn’t provide for anyone who did as I did to change those films. Anyway, it does not have retroactive effect so any films added under the old rules are stillobligated to be in chronological order.  against

Tiberias:

21-02-2007 18:05:40 UTC

against per snowball

Hix:

21-02-2007 19:00:15 UTC

for I also chose my movies to obey the Cronological order, but this ambiguity needs to be excised.  This proposal wisely does not have retroactive effect.  Since the current wording is ambiguous, and anyone who has chosen films “incorrectly” clearly did so as a result of this ambiguity, and those choices were harmless to the game (there are not currently any other rules which care about film years), and they conform to the proposed fix, it is a good idea to simply let the “incorrect” choices stand.  This is the best way to keep the game moving, and it is perfectly fair, provided that we do not in the future make rules which punish those of us who intentionally chose our films chronologically.

Josh: Observer he/they

21-02-2007 19:02:48 UTC

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spikebrennan:

21-02-2007 19:29:31 UTC

for as long as “three films” means “at least three films” and not “exactly three films”.

Amnistar: he/him

21-02-2007 20:33:49 UTC

The reason I’m doing this is because, prior to the CfJ, I hadn’t even thought that earlier meant anything with the date of hte movies.  I took ‘earlier’ to mean prior to the time of adding the next role.

snowballinhell7001:

21-02-2007 20:41:05 UTC

“Earlier” is not ambiguous. I’m sorry, but its not. If it was intended to mean “added earlier in the Filmography” it would say just that. But as it stands, it says “earlier films.” In real time. That’s what it says and there’s really no room for interpretation.

Hix:

21-02-2007 20:55:44 UTC

Hogwash.  Of course there’s room for interpretation.  Why do you think so many Actors got it “wrong”?

Edometheus:

21-02-2007 20:56:18 UTC

against
I agree with Snowball, whose name is now Trotsky due to his communist tendencies.

Amnistar, sorry if you didn’t understand the rules, but it is your fault. The CfJ does not have any consequences whatsoever and, really, the names of the Films you are in don’t matter. Deal with it, edit your mistakes, and move on.

viewtyjoe:

21-02-2007 23:31:17 UTC

for
Up until the first CfJ, I was under the impression that earlier meant earlier in being added to the filmographies list.

Seebo:

22-02-2007 00:14:23 UTC

against I misunderstood as well, although it seems like we’re teetering back and forth between strict realism and randomness… As I said in the CfJ, this seems like a really minor issue compared to people being in movies before they could possibly have been born. The heart of the question seems to be “does anything about the specific movies people choose actually matter?” and I’ve decided my vote is for realism. I will be proposing something soon to that effect.

Axeling:

22-02-2007 03:40:25 UTC

I think this is a genuine case of lack of clarity in the rules rather than misunderstanding or malice.  While it is clear for those people that read Kevan’s original proposal, it is entirely vague as the rule stands now (particularly since the last line of the original proposal never made it into the rules—I think the fact that the line was originally included shows how unclear the rule is).  Since there is no obligation on players to understand the intent of the original proposal, this proposal is less about changing the rules than clarifying them.  As Hix said, there is no disadvantage to having one’s Filmography ordered (unless one deliberately chose films that were thought to be less likely to contribute to a win in order to meet the criteria, though I don’t think anyone has any idea at this point which films are better than others).

As far as what Seebo said, I think the movies that people choose should matter, though not necessarily in a realistic manner.

For the sake of clarity, though, I do second the motion that a future proposal change the wording from “three films” to “at least three films”

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