Saturday, December 30, 2023

Call for Judgment: Maybe They’re Born With It?

Reached Quorum, 6-0. Enacted by JonathanDark.

Adminned at 31 Dec 2023 17:08:06 UTC

In the rule “Knowledge”, after the text “Each Necromancer has a publicly tracked list of Discovered Truths” add this text:

, which defaults to an empty list

Remove “The Colour of Magic” from the Discovered Truths of every Necromancer.

Uphold the additional Mana gain for every Necromancer due to having the Colour of Magic in their Discovered Truths during each execution of the Sands of the Hourglass action between the dates of December 30 2023 and the date of the enactment of this CfJ, inclusive.

As discussed in Discord, the Discovered Truths should have had a default of an empty list. I’m proposing to remove The Colour of Magic so that it’s not free, but I’m not going to try to unwind the gaining of 1 free Mana for each Necromancer because between now and this CfJ being enacted, Necromancers could spend that Mana, and trying to unwind all of those actions seems too messy.

This means everyone gets some free Mana for a day or two. It’s not really that much in the short term, so I feel like this is acceptable.


Josh: Observer he/they

30-12-2023 17:21:00 UTC

I have some discomfort about voting to uphold actions that haven’t happened yet.

JonathanDark: he/him

30-12-2023 17:25:57 UTC

That’s fair. Is there a better way to uphold the Mana gained in the meantime? I feel like if that statement isn’t included, someone could argue that it wasn’t valid to gain the extra 1 Mana per Sands of the Hourglass action.

JonathanDark: he/him

30-12-2023 17:26:23 UTC

I guess literally writing that out as part of the Proposal would do. It just feels somewhat awkward.

JonathanDark: he/him

30-12-2023 17:36:45 UTC

Ok, I explicitly added upholding the gain of 1 Mana so that we’re not voting to uphold all actions, just that specific one.


30-12-2023 17:41:51 UTC

“Uphold the gain of 1 Mana”
I’m not sure if this works because the Truth explicitly says that “this does not count as a separate mana gain”

Kevan: he/him

30-12-2023 18:26:16 UTC

“and the date of the enactment of this Proposal” - this is a CfJ.

Kevan: he/him

30-12-2023 18:41:05 UTC

Even so, “Each Necromancer has a publicly tracked list of Discovered Truths.” seems fine to me for setting up a list that may be empty. Not just from the mathematical perspective - it’s reasonable enough to speak of someone having nothing on their to-do list or shopping list, if they’ve written the heading but haven’t added any items yet, or have crossed everything out.

JonathanDark: he/him

30-12-2023 19:00:06 UTC

Well, the fact that we are debating it tells me the CfJ is needed to help resolve it.

JonathanDark: he/him

30-12-2023 19:11:24 UTC

@Desertfrog: I edited the wording to make it more clear that it’s referring to the additional Mana gain from Colour of Magic.

@Kevin: Edited to say CfJ instead of Proposal

Josh: Observer he/they

30-12-2023 20:23:23 UTC

for Thanks JD!

Vovix: he/him

30-12-2023 21:21:48 UTC


Zack: he/him

30-12-2023 21:35:43 UTC


Kevan: he/him

30-12-2023 22:34:43 UTC



31-12-2023 07:57:41 UTC