Z is hopefully gonna be zero. I can do the work to count who has deshrouded what to count X

changes since http://blognomic.com/wiki/index.php?title=Machines&oldid=15033

Moonroof: 6, 42, 47, 84, 97, 8, 29, 10, 70, 82
Clucky: 21, 44, 65, 88, 73, 40
Kops: 86, 35, 37, 2
Quirck: 96, 99, 48, 56

(someone should probably be checking my work)

1) Don’t want to track link establishers; links are just there.
2) Not a huge fan of tracking De-shrouds/Unjamming either. If it’s been a while I might not remember.

3) Most important, I really don’t like the retro-activity. I’m glad you’re willing to do the work, but I don’t think it’s well maintained in the GNDT (some people might just roll the die and change it on the wiki without more comments), and it punishes players who weren’t here for the whole dynasty (me included).

4) Not all that important, but I don’t see why we don’t just put merit gaining as an effect of the relevant actions, rather than it’s own rule. (E.g. just append “The Worker then gains 1 merit.” to various rules)

In case it does pass, I also deshrouded 61. Might check others later.

like I said, those are only the changes since the timestamp.

Its silly to reward people for work done towards fixing the machine after some arbitrary point and not the work done before hand. Also if we don’t reward deshrouding, we’ll get bad gameplay where people do deshrouding as a last resort but would rather use their actions to actually power machines. Really its a team effort, where doing everything should be encouraged. Just rewarding the final step is silly.

like I said, those are only the changes since the timestamp.

Its silly to reward people for work done towards fixing the machine after some arbitrary point and not the work done before hand. Also if we don’t reward deshrouding, we’ll get bad gameplay where people do deshrouding as a last resort but would rather use their actions to actually power machines. Really its a team effort, where doing everything should be encouraged. Just rewarding the final step is silly.

Sorry missed the timestamp.

I agree deshroud should be rewarded, just not like this. An equivalent implementation would be to multiply the merit per rep by 6, award 6 for a repair, 3 for an unjam, and 2 for a deshroud. I would vote for that.

To fix poaching, just split the reward between forming links and repairing.

I really dont like retroactivity still.

Forming links isn’t what’s important though…

really like, we have a mechanic for rewarding people for fixing machines. Its called recommendations. I’m not even sure why we’re trying to automate it in the first place. People are just being too stingy about them I guess.

I actually hate the recommendation mechanic as it is right now… from the perspective of Nomic as a game and me as a player (disregarding the meta aspect), recommendations require me to be willing to advance my opponents gamestate at no benefit to myself. There’s no reason for me to want to do this.

Automating recommendations makes much, much more sense.

Oh and if forming links isn’t what’s important, why on earth are you giving all the credit to the Link former in this very proposal?!

Because forming links between unactive machines is whats important. Just forming random links accomplishes nothing.