Creating a way to create proposals that don’t do as much but don’t need as many ‘For’s to pass is either a really great idea or a really broken and overpowered one and I’m not sure which yet. I’m kind of expecting this to be really polarizing, but there could be something I’m not seeing.

If a majority of people oppose the petitposal but it still gets a quorum of quorum it could be both popular and unpopular (?)

@red: Ah, fixed that

@SS: Its power depends on the game context, which… we don’t have much of right now.

Exactly. I suppose it can always be repealed later if it seems too strong

Everyone get in the pool! (will FOR)

I’m not sure that “Quorum of Quorum” means anything

Fixed the possible the Q of Q thing

I am pretty much always going to be against a dynastic mechanic that changes the conditions by which any proposal being popular. The most recent dynasty has only made me more certain of that position.

(I really liked Influence Quorum and am considering making it a [rare] special case rule.)

Quorum of Quorum is very unwieldy.

[Josh] I wasn’t sure about Influence Quorum: it did sail very close to three players waking up to realise they could, through how other players had happened to line up their inactivity, just propose to win and split the mantle. And as a mechanic to get less active players to perform the bare minimum of “make a proposal” or “send just one message to the Emperor”, it didn’t seem to move the needle.

No, but the point was more to keep the game moving when > Quorum players were not participating but also refusing to go idle. It’s a mechanic that will respond to the conditions it’s used in; of the three Influence Quorum players had wanted, collectively, to stitch the game up then fine; they were the only ones playing it. Other than that, as a quorum of any size, internal opposition within the cadre would be expected to keep its effects balanced.

[Josh] Small quorum stitch-ups feel like a fail state, to me, rather than an endgame possibility we’d want to make available - we saw that putting the option on the table last dynasty was enough to tempt someone to abandon their previous gameplay path and go for a small-quorum proposal win instead.

Would be interested to see what generic Special Case version you had in mind, though, particularly the definition of Influential.