Friday, September 24, 2021

Proposal: Moore’s Law

Fails 2-8 - redtara

Adminned at 26 Sep 2021 16:14:53 UTC

Create a new rule called Petitposal:

A Citizen’s Proposal can be a Petitposal. A Petitposal is a Proposal with the “[Petit]” string in its title. A Petitposal is considered Popular if it “it has a number of FOR Votes that exceed or equal a Quorum of Quorum Citizens”, instead of “It has a number of FOR Votes that exceed or equal Quorum.”.

If a Petitposal would be both Popular and Unpopular, it is instead only Popular.

The Quorum of Quorum Citizens amount is recommended to be publicly tracked. A Quorum of Quorum Citizens is half the number of Citizens in a Quorum of Citizens, rounded down, plus one.

A Petitposal can only do one of the following:
- Have the proposer go down up to 10 Floors, or go up up to 10 Floors.
- Have a Citizen go down up to 5 Floors, or go up up to 5 Floors.

It is recommended for a Citizen to use regular Proposals to perform greater Floor travel than Petitposals allow.

If Circuit Breakers passed, add this to the list of things that Petitposals can do:

- Make a Floor not Shorted Out


Snisbo: she/they

24-09-2021 15:25:37 UTC

Creating a way to create proposals that don’t do as much but don’t need as many ‘For’s to pass is either a really great idea or a really broken and overpowered one and I’m not sure which yet. I’m kind of expecting this to be really polarizing, but there could be something I’m not seeing.

redtara: they/them

24-09-2021 15:27:03 UTC

If a majority of people oppose the petitposal but it still gets a quorum of quorum it could be both popular and unpopular (?)


24-09-2021 15:32:58 UTC

@red: Ah, fixed that


24-09-2021 15:34:27 UTC

@SS: Its power depends on the game context, which… we don’t have much of right now.

Snisbo: she/they

24-09-2021 15:39:01 UTC

Exactly. I suppose it can always be repealed later if it seems too strong


24-09-2021 15:40:02 UTC

Everyone get in the pool! (will FOR)

Josh: he/they

24-09-2021 15:42:26 UTC

I’m not sure that “Quorum of Quorum” means anything


24-09-2021 15:46:32 UTC

Fixed the possible the Q of Q thing

Lulu: she/her

24-09-2021 16:46:09 UTC


Brendan: he/him

24-09-2021 16:49:23 UTC

against I am pretty much always going to be against a dynastic mechanic that changes the conditions by which any proposal being popular. The most recent dynasty has only made me more certain of that position.

Josh: he/they

24-09-2021 16:55:54 UTC


Josh: he/they

24-09-2021 16:56:25 UTC

(I really liked Influence Quorum and am considering making it a [rare] special case rule.)

Chiiika: she/her

24-09-2021 21:45:25 UTC

against Quorum of Quorum is very unwieldy.

redtara: they/them

25-09-2021 01:38:04 UTC


Snisbo: she/they

25-09-2021 02:06:27 UTC


Kevan: he/him

25-09-2021 07:15:29 UTC


Kevan: he/him

25-09-2021 07:51:08 UTC

[Josh] I wasn’t sure about Influence Quorum: it did sail very close to three players waking up to realise they could, through how other players had happened to line up their inactivity, just propose to win and split the mantle. And as a mechanic to get less active players to perform the bare minimum of “make a proposal” or “send just one message to the Emperor”, it didn’t seem to move the needle.

Josh: he/they

25-09-2021 07:59:52 UTC

No, but the point was more to keep the game moving when > Quorum players were not participating but also refusing to go idle. It’s a mechanic that will respond to the conditions it’s used in; of the three Influence Quorum players had wanted, collectively, to stitch the game up then fine; they were the only ones playing it. Other than that, as a quorum of any size, internal opposition within the cadre would be expected to keep its effects balanced.


25-09-2021 11:16:10 UTC


Kevan: he/him

25-09-2021 12:08:46 UTC

[Josh] Small quorum stitch-ups feel like a fail state, to me, rather than an endgame possibility we’d want to make available - we saw that putting the option on the table last dynasty was enough to tempt someone to abandon their previous gameplay path and go for a small-quorum proposal win instead.

Would be interested to see what generic Special Case version you had in mind, though, particularly the definition of Influential.

Zack: he/him

25-09-2021 18:35:58 UTC