Wednesday, May 27, 2020

Proposal: Multi-bets

Reached quorum 7 votes to 2. Enacted by Kevan.

Adminned at 28 May 2020 12:01:50 UTC

If the Proposal “Spin the Wheel” has not been enacted, this Proposal has no effect.

Replace “Each Amnesiac has an integer number of points, defaulting to 0.” with “Each Amnesiac has an integer number of points, tracked on “The Wheel” wiki page, defaulting to 0.”

Replace the rule “Wagers” with:

Each Amnesiac has a Wager which is a set of Segments, and defaults to none. The Wager is tracked on “The Wheel” wiki page. An Amensiac may change their wager at any time. The Size of a Wager is the number of Segments in the set.

As a Daily Communal Action, an Amnesiac may Spin The Wheel by performing the following atomic action: roll a DICEN where N is the number of Segments on the Wheel. They then apply the effect of the Segment with Index corresponding to the die roll.

Change the Effect of all segments to “All Amnesiacs with this Segment in their Wager gain a number of points equal to the number of Segments in the Wheel. From each Amnesiac, deduct a number of points equal to the Size of their Wager.”

Comments

derrick: HE/HIM

05-27-2020 13:40:53 UTC

perhaps you should increase the number of points gained to the number of segments, so we can increase the number of segments without upsetting the math.

pokes:

05-27-2020 13:46:18 UTC

Good idea, edited

ais523:

05-27-2020 13:48:20 UTC

No, the original was correct. If we create a segment that doesn’t award points, betting on every segment will now give you a consistent profit.

pokes:

05-27-2020 13:53:26 UTC

Well, either way is wrong in the sense that a careless new segment can unbalance it in some way. This way we can add a new segment with the same text and it’s fine, the original way we can add a blank segment and it’s fine.

derrick: HE/HIM

05-27-2020 13:54:15 UTC

No, it gives you zero. You still have to pay for the winning segment. So if you bet on six segments, and there are six segments, then you win six points but pay for six points.

pokes:

05-27-2020 13:55:11 UTC

What I really wanted to do was give each segment a positive effect, which triggers when that segment is rolled (and adds points to people with the segment in their wager), and a negative effect, which triggers on each segment that’s not rolled (and deducts from everyone with the segment in their wager). But that’s a lot of work for the spinner.

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus: HE/THEY

05-27-2020 15:51:19 UTC

I like pokes’s idea of having positive and negative effects. Separately, I don’t like that we are going to integrate the size of the wager into the behavior of segments without any universal restriction. What about tying the size of the wager to the number of points one has and also tying segments’ behaviors to that?

Clucky: HE/HIM

05-27-2020 15:53:27 UTC

Having everyone get a free wager was quite intentional. Allows players to still “play” the game passively, though if they aren’t moving their wager around they might miss some optimal plays. So I think a multiple wager system is worth pursuing, not sure this is the right way to do it. Think it would result in everyone just wagering on the spots that have expected net benefit and not wagering on the spots that have expected net loss. Whereas if you only get one wager (or need to go through some extra steps to get multiple wagers) then different effects might have different enough benefits you have to choose which one you want to go after even if both are good.

Kevan: HE/HIM

05-27-2020 16:20:14 UTC

for

derrick: HE/HIM

05-27-2020 17:49:23 UTC

for

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus: HE/THEY

05-27-2020 17:58:18 UTC

for

Darknight: HE/HIM

05-27-2020 18:22:53 UTC

for

Trigon:

05-27-2020 19:16:37 UTC

for

ais523:

05-27-2020 19:19:43 UTC

against

Jumble:

05-28-2020 11:03:46 UTC

against

The Duke of Waltham: HE/HIM

05-28-2020 11:40:59 UTC

Not really sure, but let’s see how it goes.

for

The Duke of Waltham: HE/HIM

05-28-2020 11:42:06 UTC

There’s a typo, by the way: “Amensiac”. It can be fixed here, or upon enactment.