Thursday, May 09, 2024

Call for Judgment: No Discounts in the Black Market

Timed out 3 votes to 0. Enacted by Kevan.

Adminned at 12 May 2024 09:10:44 UTC

In the rule “The Black Market”, replace the text “Roll a DICE5 and add the result it to the identified Possession’s value. This is its Markup.” with this text:

Roll a DICE 5, then set the identified Possession’s Markup for this instance of the atomic action to be the result of that roll plus the identified Possession’s value.

Then in the same rule, replace every instance of the text “Markup” with the text “Black Market Price”

Uphold the change to the gamestate at this diff as the appropriate correction of gamestate based on the true legal interpretation of the ruleset at the time of this correction:

I warned about this earlier, and it came to pass anyway. “This is its Markup” is too ambiguous, but it should have meant the result of the math, not just the dice roll.


Clucky: he/him

09-05-2024 23:32:01 UTC

How is “This is its Markup” ambiguous? Its clearly the math, not the dice roll.

JonathanDark: he/him

09-05-2024 23:41:44 UTC

It clearly confused one person, and that’s enough for me (plus I called out the potential confusion earlier, so that’s 2 people that saw something ambiguous, regardless of how clear it seemed to others at the time).

Clucky: he/him

09-05-2024 23:42:36 UTC

if we are going to fix something, it might be a good call to switch to a term other than “Markup”—I think some of the confusion here is that if an item is worth $10 and I sell it for $15, using actual definitions of words the “Markup” is only $5 but rules both as currently written (as far as I understand) and as would be written if this passes, “Markup” would be the full $15

NadNavillus: he/him

09-05-2024 23:45:34 UTC

Agreed with that, “the black market price for the potions is….”  spell it out.

JonathanDark: he/him

09-05-2024 23:49:41 UTC

I used the term “Premium”. Would you rather it simply be “Black Market Price”?

JonathanDark: he/him

10-05-2024 00:48:43 UTC

I went ahead and changed it to “Black Market Price”

Kevan: City he/him

10-05-2024 07:00:16 UTC

Doesn’t seem entirely fair to (by upholding Clucky’s correction) force a player to go through with someone else’s reading of an ambiguous action and get a lower reward for it, when it was an optional action that doesn’t directly affect anything else, and they said when challenged “I wouldn’t have done this otherwise.”

Kevan: City he/him

10-05-2024 13:36:02 UTC

for for at least resolving an ambiguity in the ruleset.

NadNavillus: he/him

10-05-2024 14:22:31 UTC