BlogNomic: The First Dynasty of Desertfrog

i think this is a good idea overall, but i object to it as a player who benefits from seeing my proposals on the page, & will often post and then do 1-3 little edits in the 10m following the proposal’s posting. i’d appreciate a 15-minute no-comment window at bare minimum, to match the window on changing post categories

Tell you what, I’ll give you 20.

The EE timestamp issue will be a factor here, so it might end up needing to be more like 30.

u could even change it to be no comments at all; i don’t particularly care about whether ppl can offer feedback post-posting, since this change shifts things strongly towards feedback pre-posting :0

(doesn’t one of the new player guides strongly advise against sitting around in the post editor? i swear i was warned of that somehow, i just write all my proposals externally n copy+paste them in)

(That’s what I do too, but not everyone does)

oh i’ve just been writing them in the editor and then copy pasting the text to restart the post date

4 hours pleases me, i proposed it >.>

I’d like to give this a go, but not against the preference of the Emperor, given how much the last window change affected the dynasty it happened in.

I worry this would just lead to people needing to be more active on the slack/discord and discussions taking place there as to not break the edit seal

This would reopen the trapdoor from the old days where commenting “you forgot to put this in the proposal category!” on a post locks it and prevents it being put into the proposal category. I guess we’re assuming that a player is more likely to be on Slack/Discord within the next ten minutes, than to reload the blog in that time - is that a fair assumption?

I prefer that input remains in Proposal comments

a) we already have an exception for new players who forget to put the proposal category on posts, and b) a post that’s in the wrong category doesn’t use a slot, so there’s no real penalty for reposting (you can even delete the original unofficial post!).

I do think that this should seal proposals almost instantly (probably 15 minutes, allowing posters to correct issues that arise due to ExpressionEngine’s lack of a preview function) even if there are no comments, though, to prevent people bypassing the intent of the rule via using private messages or Slack or the like.

Even the most veteran of players sometimes forget to click the button, and as far as I’m aware regular players (and maybe even admins) cannot delete their own posts, only blank them down to a placeholder.

I just created and deleted a test post.

It’s possible for non-admins, it’s just very non-obvious how you do it. (You have to go via this administrative link, which is accessible for non-admins but shows them only their own post; it’s linked from the wiki home page.)

Veterans do forget to click the button sometimes, but in my experience, they nearly always notice their mistake within the 15-minute “wrong category” window (and commenting on the post seems unlikely to significantly increase the chance that they notice in time).

You can also just open a new “New Post” window and copy-paste the text in to sidestep the timestamp bug.

also wouldn’t we get more protosals, which aren’t great as discussed in this essay
https://wiki.blognomic.com/index.php?title=Protosals_Considered_Harmful

CoV , not because I disagree with the sentiment behind this proposal, but because there’s a significant chance that this proposal was posted during Hiatus, in which case it cannot do anything when enacted, not even with the help of a CFJ declaring it legal, and I’d prefer to avoid uncertainty about whether the rule change it suggests is in place or not.