Monday, September 04, 2006

Proposal: No, not Allegro, Moderato!

Enacted by majority (7-0) on 48hr timeout. —Thelonious

Adminned at 06 Sep 2006 00:56:29 UTC

If Proposal: A little more harmony fails, then so does this one. If Proposal: A little more harmony passes, but Proposal: Styles and tribulations fails, add the following after “A Musician whose Style is Dissonant may often change eir Tempo.” :

A Musician whose Style is Consonant may occasionally change the Tempo of any other Musician.

If Proposal: A little more harmony and Proposal: Styles and tribulations both pass, add the following to the end of the Tempo bullet point in the rule Style

A Musician whose Harmony is Consonant may occasionally change the Tempo of any other Musician.

Giving back a little bit of power to the Consonants…



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09-04-2006 18:01:39 UTC

for nice balance.


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Seventy-Fifth Trombone:

09-05-2006 00:45:58 UTC

Your statement “If Proposal: A little more harmony fails, then so does this one.” doesn’t work as intended. See my comment here for explanation.


09-05-2006 02:05:36 UTC

Thanks for the tip. The “Contingent on Prop” thing is definitely the right way to do it. But why can’t a Proposal change its own status? Isn’t that part of the Gamestate?

Seventy-Fifth Trombone:

09-05-2006 03:46:07 UTC

Because a Proposal doesn’t do anything unless it’s passed. If a Pending Proposal can change its own status, what’s preventing it from changing anything else in the Gamestate?

Besides, such a Proposal would have weird effects if it passed. First the Proposal would be Enacted, then all its effects would apply to the gamestate simultaneously, INCLUDING FAILING ITSELF AFTER IT IS ENACTED. So you have an ultimately failed Proposal that still has all the specified effects on the gamestate.

I think I’m going to make a Proposal that patches a few of these things up pretty soon here.


09-05-2006 04:05:55 UTC

I don’t mean the Pending Proposal does anything, of course.

But as I understand it, the Proposal would pass, then the first sentence of the Proposal would be enacted, which would change its status to failed, so none of the other effects would happen. I don’t think all the effects happen simultaneously, though I admit the Ruleset is silent on this point.

If you read my last proposal, you’ll see the sentence “If Proposal: A little more harmony fails, remove the Tempo bullet point from the list in this rule.” This effect relies on the previous effect being implemented, or otherwise there’s no rule to alter. It didn’t apply, because A little more harmony didn’t fail. But if it had, do you think this part would have been meaningless?


09-05-2006 06:46:34 UTC

Good point. I’ll remember that for future reference. That said, it makes sense to me that the effects of a proposal should be enacted in order, instead of simultaneously. I think the “spirit” of such wording in proposals is pretty unambiguous, or at least it has been so far; so it only takes some common-sense adminning to make heads or tails of it. Maybe clarifications are in order.