“replace If the Haul is empty…” won’t work if lendunistus’ proposal is enacted changing “If the Haul is empty” to “If no Open Haul post exists”

Such a cabal has to be quorum-sized, at least as the ruleset stands, so they could also propose to remove this limit, or just propose to win.

Sanity check limits are a good idea to stop scams and surprises, but if they’re too tight they also get in the way of normal, desired gameplay. I think a 44 hour limit would probably be doing that - our first Hauls are quite likely to reach a friendly resolution within eight or ten hours, so this would be adding a long delay between them for no reason.

“reach a friendly resolution within eight or ten hours” is kinda what I’m hoping to avoid. Seems like it would be a bummer to simply not be online for those eight hours and miss the whole resolution

Fair, although in that situation you’d want to be putting the delay on the act of resolution, not on when the next Burglary started.

It’s worth considering likelyish situations where we would actually want to go ahead, though. If the group has managed to unanimously agree in the first 24 hours, why wait 20 more.

that’s a good point with the timers

You might not be able to change minds, but you could still get defects in. Though I guess that poses another challenge—if you cut someone out of the loop at hour 2 and they then have 22 hours to defect, they are probably going to defect at some point.

So this would suggest the right thing to do is to wait until the last minute to blindside someone and change the vote.

But honestly that is more of a problem with the defection system

How about making the timer dependent on the most recent Proposition to a Haul, with a maximum delay so someone can’t extend it indefinitely? Something like this, where the italicized text is the additional text to be added in via a Proposal:

If a quorum of Thieves have posted equivalent Propositions on a Haul post, and there either has been no Propositions posted on that Haul in the past 12 hours or the Haul post was made more than 44 hours ago, the City may perform the atomic action of Distributing it:

Wait, actually, the issue is a Thief missing out on getting to post a Proposition, so with a little tweak to that, it would be:

If a quorum of Thieves have posted equivalent Propositions on a Haul post, and there either has been no Propositions posted on that Haul in the past 12 hours, or every Thief has posted at least one Proposition on that Haul, or the Haul post was made more than 44 hours ago, the City may perform the atomic action of Distributing it:

I think that still runs the risk of people waiting until the last minute to make it harder to counter the vote with defections.

Or we accept that the people can game the system if they really want but play on and see what happens.

I think I’m coming around to Josh’s view on this, even though I tend to like game timers myself. There must be a better way to solve this.

I find it unlikely that a timer is necessary right now also, given the quorum required.

Since this fixes the unlikely quorum loop but doesn’t fix the quick-resolution problem, and the cost for it is that we might have to wait around when we don’t need to.

I take back what I said about opening Hauls being “quite likely to reach a friendly resolution within eight or ten hours”!

i’ll def for now