Saturday, April 05, 2025

Proposal: None of this

Randomly select a player out of ais523, DoomedIdeas, JonathanDark, Kevan, Raven1207,SingularByte to achieve victory.

Inform that individual that they have achieved victory.

Yeah, no. We’re not having people rushing in to win a dynasty that they’ve not even played in. I’ve included only people who have taken dynastic actions this dynasty which funnily enough lines up with quorum.

Comments

ais523:

05-04-2025 03:11:44 UTC

for This seems like a reasonable enough compromise – and it isn’t like Equity has any meaning any more after all the Reinitialisations.

Clucky: he/him

05-04-2025 03:14:17 UTC

against yeah no but nice try

Darknight: he/him

05-04-2025 03:38:35 UTC

against

Zack: he/him

05-04-2025 04:07:25 UTC

@ais523 I wouldn’t exactly call this a compromise. Also I’m surprised you don’t take issue with this mechanism of winning because informing a player they have achieved victory technically doesn’t, in fact, mean they have achieved victory.

Zack: he/him

05-04-2025 04:08:35 UTC

against

ais523:

05-04-2025 04:21:00 UTC

@Zack: I agree that this wording might not work (the second line doesn’t allocate a victory, but the first line might). In general I’m still not convinced that proposals can directly award a victory, without creating a rule for it.

By “compromise” I meant a compromise among the previously active players, rather than the players who recently unidled in an attempt to take advantage of a buggy proposal; the discussion had largely been about which precise Equity values to use for the roll-off, not about what set of players gets to participate in the vote.

Raven1207: he/they

05-04-2025 04:27:00 UTC

imperial

Clucky: he/him

05-04-2025 05:18:47 UTC

for cov let someone else win too if ais doesn’t want to post a dov!

ais523:

05-04-2025 05:21:37 UTC

@Clucky: it isn’t “doesn’t want to”, it’s “legally can’t” – there is a rule against posting two DoVs in quick succession.

CoV imperial in the hopes of delaying the queue until the CFJ is decided.

Clucky: he/him

05-04-2025 05:24:19 UTC

okay, so you tried a scam and it didn’t work and now maybe there are consequences.

DoomedIdeas: he/him

05-04-2025 05:57:10 UTC

against

Josh: Imperator he/they

05-04-2025 06:57:26 UTC

I’m holding my vote on this until the situation is a little clearer but I’m leaning towards FOR.

ais523:

05-04-2025 07:24:29 UTC

CoV against given that I think that this also doesn’t work, and don’t want yet another set of arguments about whether a win is valid or not (especially if the dice pick me again).

SingularByte: he/him

05-04-2025 07:30:39 UTC

against  Withdrawn. The whole purpose of this propsoal was more to say *how* we should pick a winner while the main roll-off proposal was illegal, and favoured speed over precise language.

If my cfj passes (or looks sure to pass), I’m happy for this to be replaced with something more airtight.

Clucky: he/him

05-04-2025 07:31:18 UTC

dude at least be honest about the fact that you just don’t want someone else to win

Clucky: he/him

05-04-2025 07:33:36 UTC

(sorry that may have been over the line I’m off to bed)

Kevan: he/him

05-04-2025 08:09:54 UTC

Would have voted against this for giving Raven1207 (who made one small Mill action early doors, then effectively stopped playing the dynasty entirely) equal winshare with the five people who were actively trying to get their Equity up and play the game.

It doesn’t seem a good message to send that sometimes you can win a dynasty by joining it at the start and doing nothing, or almost nothing. The next dynasty would not be improved by having more people doing that.

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