Monday, February 03, 2025

Not quite a reboot

Team Village has scored triumphs on the following basis:

SingularByte was granted Brains by ais523
In the role Brains, tools of the trade was used by SingularByte to change its restriction to “and the sentence must retain the some meaning as a result of the change.”
In the role Archivist, Brains was used to change Reset to Reboot, which does in fact retain “some” meaning.

As Reboot is an Agenda, SingularByte, ais523 both score triumphs.

Comments

SingularByte: he/him

03-02-2025 05:21:40 UTC

Feel free to congratulate us, but it’s not actually obligatory as the triumphs weren’t changed by meeting a Target.

Teams don’t get rebooted, and the round is still on.

JonathanDark: he/him

03-02-2025 05:38:19 UTC

Still curious who your co-conspirator was while you went Rogue but did nothing with it. Did Raven mess that up, or did some other co-conspirator just not get online in time and you gave up?

Josh: he/they

03-02-2025 07:49:48 UTC

I have question about ais’ Swift actions.

Yesterday at 5.36pm he did a Swift Oversight.
Yesterday at 9.32pm he did another Swift action, an Archivist revert.
This morning at 7.12am he Concentrated.

Is the argument that’s being used here that the Oversight didn’t count as it didn’t have its intended effect, so it wasn’t a “successfully performed Heist Action”?

On this I’m iffy about “the some” meaning being parseable.

ais523:

03-02-2025 08:01:59 UTC

@Josh: the Oversight was illegal and thus never occurred – it reverts a Heist Action performed by a player on the same team within the past 24 hours, but there was no such action, so it couldn’t be performed. (The Dice Roller comment said that I was reverting SingularByte’s most recent action, but that was more than 24 hours ago.)

(What happened is that I’d placed an Oversight action in the Dice Roller box, and was refreshing the page repeatedly, the idea being to submit immediately if I saw SingularByte performing a rogue action. But I accidentally hit “submit” instead of “refresh”, sending an illegal action.)

ais523:

03-02-2025 08:05:44 UTC

Specifically, the rule Heists says “If a rule defines an action as a Heist Action, a Participant (the “performer”) can attempt to perform that action” – what my Dice Roller comment stated I was trying to do (revert an action more than 24 hours old) isn’t a Heist Action and thus I couldn’t attempt to perform it.

SingularByte: he/him

03-02-2025 08:32:49 UTC

@JonathanDark Unfortunately, I cannot reveal my motivations for any of my actions at this time.

@Josh, I’m not seeing any possible meanings that could work to our detriment. Either it works as we intended, or it has so little meaning as to not be a meaningful restriction.

Josh: he/they

03-02-2025 08:40:15 UTC

I think that the lack of meaning case may be, similar to other cases in this dynasty, an unachievable requirement.

“The” is a definite article, meaning that the noun that follows it is a specific example of the noun being specified (“the tree” vs “a tree” - not just any tree, a specific tree). “The some meaning” is directing us to a specific meaning, specifically the Some meaning, which isn’t defined. The sentence post-edit does not have the Some meaning, therefore the Brains action was incorrectly applied.

ais523:

03-02-2025 09:11:29 UTC

I just realised that there’s a clearer way to describe what happened with my Oversight – the action I placed in the Dice Roller is not a Heist Action, thus it can’t matter for the purpose of things that look at previous Heist Actions.

ais523:

03-02-2025 10:46:42 UTC

@Josh: The same wording of the Brains rule <a >was used to score “rupture” earlier</a>. As such, if SingularByte’s action just now is illegal, so was the earlier action, and the teams therefore wouldn’t have changed since they were “rupture” and “overcome”. This might potentially need an uphold or other CFJ-based fix.

ais523:

03-02-2025 10:48:10 UTC

Sorry for broken link: I was trying to link here: https://wiki.blognomic.com/index.php?title=Ruleset&diff=28769&oldid=28768 (the “the some meaning” wording was in the ruleset at that time).

Snisbo: she/they

03-02-2025 15:40:53 UTC

Nice job!