Sunday, December 22, 2024

Call for Judgment: Not so fast

Cannot be enacted with 3 AGAINST votes. Josh

Adminned at 22 Dec 2024 23:05:58 UTC

In this Play, Habanero used Leapsnail to jump from his position at 43 to just past mine at 70. Unfortunately Leapsnail mandates a cap of 20 distance, so this was an illegally performed leap.

Normally I’d just revert but that’s complicated in this dynasty because of subsequent and dependent actions.

This CfJ attempts to resolve as follows: revert the gamestate to this edit https://wiki.blognomic.com/index.php?title=The_Snail_Track&oldid=28428, then reapply all Plays made by Snails other than Habanero since the timestamp of that edit.

Comments

JonathanDark: he/him

22-12-2024 14:28:35 UTC

I know it’s past the edit window, but does “reapply all Plays” mean that the prior results of the Dice Roller are used, or that the Plays are re-done including re-rolling? I’m in favor of the former over the latter.

Josh: he/they

22-12-2024 14:31:48 UTC

I would prefer the former. If it comes up then that might be another CfJ but I would assume that it would be covered by the ‘best ability’ clause in Fair Play:

A Snail should not roll dice that are clearly associated with a particular action in the Ruleset, but with the intention to not use these rolled values to the best of their ability to resolve that action.

JonathanDark: he/him

22-12-2024 14:32:51 UTC

Also, what happens to the Spotting Danger action? I’m not saying that Josh is doing it intentionally, but it does conveniently get him out of being Zombified to revert that.

Habanero:

22-12-2024 14:52:23 UTC

I don’t see an issue with my Play. The text of Leapsnail is as follows in the Official Rules at the time I made the Play:
“If one exists, randomly select a non-Slug Snail before the Finish Line whose Plays are within 2 of yours or whose Position is within 20 of yours. Set your Position to be 1 greater than the selected Snail’s.”
That’s an “or”, not an “and”. I thought I could choose to select a Snail whose Plays are within 2 of mine and jump to them, unless I’m missing a clause somewhere else that caps the distance to 20.

Josh: he/they

22-12-2024 14:59:22 UTC

Given that I wrote that definition, it’s a little embarassing that I forgot it was an or rather than an and. Why did I do that???

Okay, there is still another problem, though, and it’s actually a bigger one: within 20 is up as well as down, and your random selections included only the Snails with positions above you, not those below. So actually all three leapsnails should be reverted, I think?

Josh: he/they

22-12-2024 15:00:20 UTC

@JonathanDark It is definitely helpful to me that that gets reverted but an illegal sequence of events is still illegal; I do not believe that Habanero would have spotted danger until he was out of it so the fact that he was materially not out of it matters.

Habanero:

22-12-2024 15:00:46 UTC

I interpreted the or as a choice, not an inclusive thing where you need to do both. I chose only the “within 2 plays”.

Habanero:

22-12-2024 15:01:09 UTC

This wasn’t even an intentional scam on my part, just how I read the rules. :P

Josh: he/they

22-12-2024 15:02:11 UTC

Okay, well, we can kill this one off and hash that out in a subsequent CfJ then.  against

JonathanDark: he/him

22-12-2024 15:06:51 UTC

against

Habanero:

22-12-2024 21:11:14 UTC

against