Thursday, July 15, 2010

Call for Judgment: Null

Failed with a Quorum against. (1-9) - lilomar

Adminned at 16 Jul 2010 19:33:35 UTC

Change the gamestate to what it would be if, each time (if any) that the ruleset was amended to add the text “or other Gamestate document” to the glossary, it was instead amended in an manner identical in all ways except that the text “or other Gamestate document” was not added.

Since we’re in hiatus.  I believe that it’s possible that quorum has been undefined (making it impossible to adopt anything with quorum) for a while, so the other CfJ wouldn’t be sufficient.  I could be wrong, but in my opinion the best way to proceed is to wait two days (or four to be sure) and then adopt this.

Comments

Put:

15-07-2010 19:55:05 UTC

The wording on this is a bit convoluted.

lilomar:

15-07-2010 20:31:09 UTC

What he said. Holding off on voting until I understand for sure what this does. :p

ais523:

15-07-2010 20:38:21 UTC

for This is standard wording to recover from a historical game-breaking slipup, and has been used time and again in Agora and B. Basically, it changes the gamestate to the non-broken state it would be in had the proposal been correct in the first place, rather than leaving it in the current potentially broken state (with “quorum” undefined); it won’t overturn, say, lilomar’s DoV, though, as that passes merely based on votes, not definitions.

lilomar:

15-07-2010 20:40:32 UTC

still waiting until my dov is resolved, but inclined towards being in favor of.

h2g2guy:

15-07-2010 20:57:53 UTC

imperial

Qwazukee:

15-07-2010 22:57:22 UTC

against , because who knows what historical changes this might cause?

Klisz:

16-07-2010 00:20:33 UTC

for

glopso:

16-07-2010 02:44:23 UTC

against  until after lilomar’s DoV is resolved.

redtara: they/them

16-07-2010 02:57:32 UTC

against pending further analysis

Purplebeard:

16-07-2010 08:06:32 UTC

against looks dangerous.

Josh: Observer he/they

16-07-2010 10:08:55 UTC

against I’m not sure about ais’ assertion that this CfJ would not undo the DoV, as the CfJ allows for a interpretation based on a hypothetical. It’s asking the enacting admin to change the gamestate to what it would be if that string didn’t exist; if the string didn’t exist then neither would the DoV. It seems to me that this CfJ doesn’t so much undo the DoV as retcon it out of existence, as a literal interpretation of the CfJ seems to permit the enacting admin to go on a deleting spree.

lilomar:

16-07-2010 12:23:47 UTC

against per Josh.

I would prefer something along the lines of “If the Gamestate is not currently recorded correctly in the ruleset, change Gamestate to match the ruleset as of the posting of this CfJ.”

Bucky:

16-07-2010 22:00:36 UTC

against  to speed things up

ais523:

16-07-2010 22:42:47 UTC

CoV against so it can be adminned quickly; it seems unlikely to parse.

lilomar:

17-07-2010 02:32:11 UTC

against