I like the general thrust, but worry that immediately establishing this “probably victory point” stat as an action-based grind, with a target-the-leader kicker built in, might make for a slightly boring middlegame

Where’s the grind, here? These actions are weekly - and anyone branching out into performing all four Ground Actions during a week is just setting themselves up for four easy Accusations from every single opponent.

I mean, it’s performing the same actions on a regular schedule, the fact that those actions can be spaced out doesn’t make it less of a grind.

Also, perhaps a bit too good to be a Burglar relative to anyone else.

I’d only call something a grind if players would always (or very nearly always) perform that action whenever they could, and would kick themselves if they missed the chance. It’s the “as a daily action, gain 1 gold” level stuff, where you would never not want to do it.

And I don’t think that’s the case here: any Role Action signals to other players your confidence that you have that Role, while also setting you up for an Accusation if you’re faking it. There’s a decision to be made. I’m not planning to Posture as Sheriff/Deputy/Eye in quick succession for three Evidence as soon as this enacts, and would be very surprised if anyone else did.

Weak . My feelings on grind haven’t really been allayed and the omission of any discussion of the burglar bothers me.

(That’s “I’m weakly against”, I’m not attempting to insult Kevan)

How are other Roles besides these four supposed to gain evidence, Kevan?

[Josh] What would need to change for this mechanic to not feel like a grind? I’d have thought the cloudiness and consequences of Roles and Mementoes would remove any sense of mindless grinding.

I’m not sure I see the Burglar as overpowered; if you get hit, you can always Burgle that player back later. It might get a bit tit-for-tat, but it’s capped at (likely) two Burglings per player per game, and will at least generate some grudges.

[Ayedeeef] By pretending to be those Roles. Or by future amendments to the ruleset.

I don’t think there should be a numerical variable quantifying “how much we know about the past”. The whole goal of this dynasty is to gain actual information about each other. I think we should continue to emphasize that.

If we want a game to play over the next two weeks we need some basic way to use that information, though. This is just like the money in Coup - something that’s plainly useful that anyone can try to grab, but that may be a mistake if you were ignorant or bluffing, and another player was much better informed than you. (If I take the Private Eye action and Josh openly explains to everyone why I can’t be the Private Eye, I potentially lose 9 Reputation for being blase.)