BlogNomic: The First Dynasty of Desertfrog

Can you take actions on someone else’s behalf while you’re in the middle of resolving an atomic action yourself?

“If the Crypt is in Cleansed” should be “If the Crypt is Cleansed” or “If the Crypt is in a Cleansed state”.

I like this one because I get to do one more run, and for some reason that’s fun for me

Right now, there are no Bloodthirsty Vampire Lords.

After one more run, though, there quite possibly would be, in which case the Atomic Action gets stuck; the distilling step can’t be completed because the Bloodthirsty Vampire Lords can’t distil. That would cause the entire step to be skipped, including for the Vampire Lords who weren’t Bloodthirsty, which seems like a pretty major bug.

I also think it’s a big problem to have the victory roll be part of the same atomic action as everything else: if Josh makes a mistake earlier in the action (which is quite plausible), then the final victory roll won’t count unless the BMC levels end up exactly the same, so we’re likely to have fake-out victory announcements. Worse, if the DoV gets posted immediately, the Hiatus may make the last run impossible to fix, most likely leading to yet another mess of CFJs.

nope. wrong again. If the rules say to perform the distilling action, the distilling action is performed even if it can’t be performed normally.

Preferring my proposal to end it after the one run (which we’ve now had) rather than two runs, and Clucky’s team also having the advantage of squaring their scores.

@Clucky: “can’t” beats “can” when there’s a contradiction between rules, like there would be here. Your proposal doesn’t say “even if it couldn’t be performed normally”.

…actually, because this is a sublist of steps (and thus a single step in its own right), it isn’t just the distilling action that’s skipped; the entire Arrival will be skipped (because there’s the ability to skip failing steps in Enter the Crypt but not in Arrival). So this effectively becomes “the dynasty ends next time there’s an Expedition and nobody with Influence is Bloodthirsty”, which is a really random condition to end a dynasty on.

wrong again (remember, its saying go perform this action on this other persons behalf. so at that point it doesn’t matter if they can’t perform it themselves) but its clear you don’t care so I’m just going to ignore you.

Simply asserting “wrong” doesn’t a) make you right, or b) guarantee you’ll win a CFJ on the matter, and this seems very likely to end the dynasty in a mess of CFJs in which we argue about whether the selection of the winner was legal.

“Go perform this action on that player’s behalf” doesn’t, to me, imply that you can do it even if they can’t do it (in fact, it implies the opposite).

There’s another use of “on behalf” in the ruleset. From “Representations of the Gamestate”, you get to do this: “Alter the representation to match what they believe to be the correct application of an incorrectly-applied alteration. This may include completing incomplete actions on behalf of the original Vampire Lord, if doing so would not require the correcting Vampire Lord to make any decisions on behalf of the original Vampire Lord.”.

If your reasoning were correct, it would mean that by incorrectly applying an alteration, another player would get to complete that alteration, even if it were illegal – you could use this as a loophole to successfully perform illegal actions.

Excessively skewed in favour of Clucky’s alliance (the squaring doesn’t matter much in the current gamestate, but is likely to favour lemonfanta after the next run takes place), and broken.

Cov Now that Crystal Dome had enacted, this does nothing

But we could have two sunshine rules! That’s twice as much sunshine!