Wednesday, May 23, 2018

Proposal: Pequod and Pyrrhus

Fewer than a quorum not voting against, failed 1-5 with 1 unresolved DEF. Failed by Kevan.

Adminned at 24 May 2018 18:30:49 UTC

Remove the paragraph of the rule “Positions” that begins with “If none of the three positions…”

Change the paragraph in the rule “Positions” that reads:

The Captain may change any non-Narrator Sailor’s Position to any other Free Position.

to read:

The Captain may change any other non-Narrator Sailor’s Position to any other Free Position.

Add to the rule “Positions” the following:

If there is only one Deckhand, any Sailor may set that Deckhand’s Position to Captain. If there was already a Captain at such a time, the Sailor must then set that extant Captain’s Position in turn to Deckhand.

The Sailor holding the position of Captain is not eligible to claim victory.

Comments

derrick: he/him

23-05-2018 15:22:23 UTC

Brendan, you seem to have decided that captain is the position for you.

If you will make a promise of the same sort that I made, that you won’t move sailor’s positions without evidence that they’re holding back the ship in some way, And that you will attempt to catch whales, I will happily back you.

If not, I will oppose this would-be-usurper as having nefarious and underhanded schemes.

Brendan: he/him

23-05-2018 15:28:22 UTC

I’m interested in being Captain, but I don’t intend to remain Captain—as this should make clear, any newly unidled Sailor would in turn boot me out of the post (and in turn put me back in the running for victory).

Most players in this dynasty seem to regard the captaincy with a certain leeriness, which is only appropriate for a Moby Dick theme. I like that, and I’d like to double down on it by making it a burden equal to its power, regardless of whether I’m at the tiller or not.

derrick: he/him

23-05-2018 15:38:55 UTC

I’m a little cautious of making newly unidled players captains. The captain is the only one who can call a hunt, which means if we don’t have an active captain, we’re going to miss a lot of fish.

Madrid:

23-05-2018 15:43:49 UTC

I didn’t expect people arguing like this to be so interesting lol.

But anyways, I’d greentick this proposal.

Also, yes, I dislike Captains. Mainly because of the insane power it was. I wouldn’t be too happy with such an obvious mechanic from the start of the game to be the main decider of who is the winner. But Kevan insists on having it so I can only be grumpy about it, I can’t bribe or anything.

Brendan: he/him

23-05-2018 15:44:19 UTC

I take your point, but you also called a hunt successfully without being Captain, and newly unidled players are the most likely to be active.

Brendan: he/him

23-05-2018 15:45:07 UTC

(@derrick)

derrick: he/him

23-05-2018 15:49:38 UTC

@Brendan

Shortly after I did so, our esteemed narrator made a proposal taking away that option and it passed, though I opposed it.

Newly unidled players are likely to be active, but they are also likely to drop off relatively quickly.

Madrid:

23-05-2018 16:32:51 UTC

There’s also a tactical advantage in unidling the last possible moment and then setting your Goals to be all of the most obvious ones to succeed.

Brendan: he/him

23-05-2018 16:43:37 UTC

[Cuddlebeam] An advantage nullified, one would hope, by the explicit line in this proposal barring the Captain from victory.

Kevan: he/him

23-05-2018 17:10:53 UTC

imperial This is a weird one, Brendan.

card:

23-05-2018 18:07:21 UTC

I don’t like that someone can’t refuse to be Captain if they’re the sole Deckhand since it makes that position essentially have the same “no victory” drawback.

card:

23-05-2018 18:07:44 UTC

against

Madrid:

23-05-2018 19:10:32 UTC

Anyways now that there’s some downwards voting momentum I’ll spit it out before comments close and whatnot:

There’s a loophole in this thing which allows anyone to become Captain (by turning into it then back to their original position) unless there’s a single Deckhand to prevent it (Who could turn into a Captain themselves and then change back to continue the block - until a second Deckhand came around, which may not until this is revealed. People also seem really attached to their roles so maybe this was preying on that phenomenon or was planned to be a single-use sort of thing. I dunno. But what’s there is there).


against

Madrid:

23-05-2018 19:12:08 UTC

(And being able to shift around Captain and not-Captain so easily like that makes the “The Sailor holding the position of Captain is not eligible to claim victory.” thing completely pointless and probably just bait.)

Lulu: she/her

23-05-2018 23:31:06 UTC

against

derrick: he/him

24-05-2018 12:20:18 UTC

against

Corona:

24-05-2018 18:07:44 UTC

against