As a straight gameplay vote on whether I think the Prestigious Estate Claim (which I don’t hold) should be put up for a 50/50 chance of getting +7 Strength, and Positive Reputation (held by everyone) for +4, I’d say

for the reasons opposite to kevan

CoV for the same reason as Kevan

for the same reason as Kevan

This doesn’t do anything, right?

“The Existing Business of each Meeting of the Tyngwall is each item of New Business that was proposed to the previous meeting of the Tyngwall.”

But even if Vovix has posted everything on time,
“Two pieces of New Business that those non-Heir Parliamentarians will propose.” is just mentioning two pieces of new business that will be proposed at some point. None of them every makes them proposed. So I don’t think Vovix getting the comment in on time has any effect on the gamestate

@Clucky: are you saying that the Tyngwall rules are fundamentally flawed in this respect and are functionally ineffective? I’m just asking because then we ought to decide to either fix it or throw it out if people don’t actually like it.

not all of them, just the ones around non heirs proposing new business

This CfJ cannot be enacted because “it specifies neither changes to the Gamestate or Ruleset nor corrections to any gamestate-tracking entities.”

Actually it technically can be enacted if it is popular but it shouldn’t be because it doesn’t do anything.

[Zack] “The historical fact of the occurrence of a defined game action is itself considered to be gamestate”

Huh! So that line about CfJs that do nothing shouold be removed then?

I think it was a relic of the days when CfJs arrested DoV progress anyway.

Relicwise, I assumed it was to shortcut the occasional CfJs we’d see of “I think this player has broken a rule” where there was no clear resolution for players to vote on, or where we’d agree how to interpret a genuinely ambiguous rule but would leave the ruletext unchanged.

But checking the archive it was actually from the weird era when anonymous CfJs were a thing, and people were posting a lot of nonsense ones.

Alright Kevan, you’ve convinced me.