Sunday, May 31, 2020

Proposal: Preordering

Self Killed—Clucky

Adminned at 02 Jun 2020 03:26:20 UTC

If the text “Each Amnesiac has a Wager, which is a list of the names of zero or more Segments, defaulting to none.” exists in the ruleset, replace it with:-

Each Amnesiac has a Wager, which is a list of the names of zero or more Segments and up to two other strings of max length 26 characters each, defaulting to none. If such a string is the Name of a Segment, it is the corresponding Segment.

If the text “Each Amnesiac has a Wager, which is an unordered list of Segments, and defaults to none.” exists in the ruleset, replace it with:-

Each Amnesiac has a Wager, which is an unordered list of Segments and up to two other strings of max length 26 characters each, and defaults to none. If such a string is the Name of a Segment, it is the corresponding Segment.

Comments

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus: he/they

31-05-2020 21:49:33 UTC

What happens to the other segments? That’s not clear to me.

ayesdeeef:

31-05-2020 21:55:47 UTC

Can you clarify what you mean by the other segments?

ayesdeeef:

31-05-2020 21:57:51 UTC

If you mean the ones that aren’t the extra two strings, I think they are still considered to be segments because they are part of the list of Segments. In other words, a Wager according to this Proposal should be thought of as a list of up to two strings appended to a list of Segments.

ayesdeeef:

31-05-2020 22:00:55 UTC

On the other hand, if you mean what does this Proposal even do, it’s meant to allow us to add segments to our wager that have been or will be proposed and we know we’re gonna want for whatever reason, but the Proposal enacting them has not yet passed.

ais523:

31-05-2020 22:07:38 UTC

I’d prefer it if this proposal was designed in such a way that it would work even if “Segmentation Fault” fails.

However, I’ll support it even as-is; not voting for now, though, so that you can edit it if required.

Marco Sulla:

31-05-2020 22:23:38 UTC

I suppose this is for people that does not play at least once a day. But does not it risk to be confusing? New Amnesiac can see in my Wager “7 Perpendicular Lines” and ask to themselves “Where is the 7 Perpendicular Lines Segment”???

ayesdeeef:

31-05-2020 22:24:11 UTC

Edited - @ais I incorporated your suggestion

ayesdeeef:

31-05-2020 22:35:24 UTC

@Marco Yes, I understand that concern. Players have no strategic incentive to do that, but they very well might. However, I don’t see a way to make things more clear without creating work for the admins, for example by making Players begin each string that isn’t yet a Segment with a Hashmark and having the admins remove the corresponding Hashmarks whenever they enact a Proposal that creates a new Segment. Still, maybe there is a better solution, or maybe what I just described is something people want, so I’m curious what you and others think. I’m going to leave my Proposal the way it is for now though. Note that if Kevan’s proposal passes, the strings would have to be at the end of the list, so that would make things a little clearer compared to if it does not pass.

Marco Sulla:

31-05-2020 23:00:10 UTC

Well, I think the response is in your Wager and pokes’ one: let “All segments” and “All segments except” :)

ais523:

31-05-2020 23:21:03 UTC

for

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus: he/they

31-05-2020 23:24:33 UTC

for

Clucky: he/him

01-06-2020 02:52:21 UTC

against

Doesn’t work the way its intended. If my wager consists a list of Segments and the word “Cheese” and then “Cheese” becomes a segment, my wager doesn’t magically contain the Cheese segment. It still just contains the word “Cheese”.

I’m also a little worried what a segment called “Ais523 Achieves Victory” would do…

ayesdeeef:

01-06-2020 03:52:52 UTC

[Clucky] In response to 2nd concern: such a statement would be gamestate, not a rule

In response to 1st concern: Why does the line, “If such a string is the Name of a Segment, it is the corresponding Segment.” not fix this issue?

Lulu: she/her

01-06-2020 04:14:08 UTC

against per Clucky

Kevan: he/him

01-06-2020 09:19:35 UTC

More trivially, a Wager of “Numbness, Rimless” could either be a list of two Segments, or a single 17-character string which is not “the Name of a Segment”.

against

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus: he/they

01-06-2020 12:29:52 UTC

against

pokes:

01-06-2020 13:08:59 UTC

against

Darknight: he/him

01-06-2020 13:47:09 UTC

against

Axemabaro:

01-06-2020 13:57:48 UTC

against

derrick: he/him

01-06-2020 14:14:44 UTC

against

Marco Sulla:

01-06-2020 21:53:16 UTC

against

ayesdeeef:

01-06-2020 22:54:38 UTC

against s/k but I would have liked to see my question to Clucky answered in case I was going to repost this