Sunday, October 23, 2011

Protosal: Drafts

Create a new core rule “Drafts,” with the text:

Any Artist may post an entry in the “Draft” category. The Body and Flavour Text of a Draft may be edited by its Author at their convenience. Artists may not edit the Title, Category, or any other aspect of their Draft not specificied as editable in the Ruleset.

In Rule 1.9, change

An Artist should not edit their own blog comments once posted, nor those of any other Artist.

to

An Artist should not edit their own blog comments once posted, nor those of any other Artist, unless otherwise specified in the Ruleset.

If the Proposal “1, 2, 3, 5, Can I Have A Little More” has passed, change in Rule 3.2

No entry may be more than one of the following official types of post: Proposal, Call for Judgement, and Declaration of Victory.

to

No entry may be more than one of the following official types of post: Proposal, Call for Judgement, Declaration of Victory, and Draft.

Flavour Text: Currently, under Rule 1.9, editing entries after posting is a violation of fair play. As a result, players often post drafts of potential proposals in order to get input from other players. However, when issues are found, drafts currently must be reposted each time changes are made. Past attempts to fix this problem have focused on allowing the text of Proposals to be edited, which introduces legal and practical difficulties. This proposal would create a Category of entries known as “Drafts” which could be edited freely by the author.

posted by southpointingchariot at 23 Oct 2011 14:09:26 UTC Comments (21)

Comments

Darknight: he/him

23-10-2011 14:44:26 UTC

i like this idea. i honestly never liked the term protosal either so this could take care of that too lol.

Prince Anduril:

23-10-2011 15:47:21 UTC

Again. Not a proposal.

redtara: they/them

23-10-2011 15:49:22 UTC

I don’t think we need to make drafts gamestate, to be honest.

Amnistar: he/him

23-10-2011 16:06:12 UTC

I think the ability to edit drafts would be nice, which is what this proposal does.

southpointingchariot:

23-10-2011 16:16:33 UTC

@Prince Anduril I’m not sure what you mean.

Pavitra:

23-10-2011 16:28:19 UTC

@Ienpw III The problem is that there’s currently no way to make a post that it’s permissible to edit after it’s been commented on. Is there a way to create a Drafts category but not have posts in it count as part of the gamestate?

ChronosPhaenon:

23-10-2011 16:30:21 UTC

Pavitra, everything mentioned by a rule is, by definition, part of the Gamestate. I see it as a paradox if we create a rule explicitly excluding something from being Gamestate.

redtara: they/them

23-10-2011 16:30:59 UTC

If you create a post that is not an official post it is not regulated by the rules and you can therefore do whatever you like with it.

redtara: they/them

23-10-2011 16:31:18 UTC

(Barring any dynastic rules to the contrary)

southpointingchariot:

23-10-2011 16:33:53 UTC

What is the cost of having drafts in the gamestate?

Pavitra:

23-10-2011 16:39:58 UTC

Obvious fix: modify 3.2 by replacing

Posts following the format specified by a rule are considered official posts.

with

Non-Draft posts following the format specified by a rule are considered official posts.

Amnistar: he/him

23-10-2011 16:51:12 UTC

The other option is simply to remove “An Artist should not edit their own blog comments once posted, nor those of any other Artist.” from the Fair Play clause.

Amnistar: he/him

23-10-2011 16:51:58 UTC

Wait no that should stay.

Where is the rule that says we can’t edit posts to the blog?

southpointingchariot:

23-10-2011 17:06:45 UTC

@Amnistar 1.9

Kevan: he/him

23-10-2011 22:49:24 UTC

And 3.2 precludes editing official posts, or editing non-official posts into official ones.

scshunt:

23-10-2011 22:56:10 UTC

1.9 only prevents editing of comments, not posts.

omd:

23-10-2011 23:20:25 UTC

Indeed, but if drafts are non-official posts there is no reason they can’t be edited.

It *would* be interesting to allow Drafts to be edited into Proposals without the 15 minute limit.

redtara: they/them

24-10-2011 03:39:40 UTC

And 1.9 is non-binding.

Ornithopter:

24-10-2011 18:02:47 UTC

The 15 minute limit prevents scams wherein a draft is made, edited into a proposal 4 days later, and then slips under the radar. It could certainly be extended to, say, an hour without adverse effect.

Kevan: he/him

24-10-2011 18:16:36 UTC

It’s also intended to prevent the proposal queue from getting too convoluted - if you edit a draft into a proposal after an hour, that proposal will have been “open for voting” (which Rule 1.6 cares about) for one hour less than everything else in the queue.

Pavitra:

24-10-2011 19:23:44 UTC

Probably better to just not let Drafts be category-edited.