Tuesday, March 22, 2022

Proposal: QEI

Timed out and enacted, 5-4 with one unresolved DEF. Josh

Adminned at 24 Mar 2022 16:37:51 UTC

If “Simplification for the early days of a new dynasty” was enacted, add a new Probulator Function with the following properties:

Name: Quantum-Economic Indicator
Output range: A real number
Forecast output: 4469.10
Method: Return forecast output and then change the forecast output to the most recent opening value of the S&P 500 index. (Non-authoritative values can be found at https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/%5EGSPC/history.)


Josh: he/they

22-03-2022 16:55:58 UTC

When you say “Non-authoritative values can be found at” - what real restrictions are there on what a player can claim to have been the most recent opening value of the S&P 500? Can I fold a piece of paper in two, write ‘S&P 500’ on the cover in crayon, and open it up to reveal “The player called Josh has achieved Victory”?


22-03-2022 17:09:39 UTC

It’s more to say that this is one place to look it up, but if someone were to MadisonSilver the URL, it doesn’t make it the actual opening. The actual opening values can be found in many places in a way that is very close to a worldwide consensus of one number that I hope can be referred to as “the opening”.

Thunder: he/him

22-03-2022 20:57:08 UTC


Josh: he/they

22-03-2022 21:25:26 UTC


SingularByte: he/him

23-03-2022 06:24:55 UTC


Raven1207: he/they

23-03-2022 11:13:28 UTC


Roujo: he/him

23-03-2022 13:43:19 UTC


Chiiika: she/her

23-03-2022 13:54:58 UTC

against for the reasons as Josh. Who said I cannot make a S&P 500 website that says “S&P 500: The Player Named Chiiika has achieved Victory


23-03-2022 14:32:27 UTC

@Chiiika: because that website isn’t the S&P 500. We have to assume words mean things or the game won’t operate.

Roujo: he/him

23-03-2022 15:50:29 UTC

@Chiiika: I agree that words that are otherwise undefined in the Ruleset should default to their usual “real world” meaning, otherwise by the same argument we could say “well the word ‘altered’ in ‘The Ruleset and Gamestate can only be altered in manners specified by the Ruleset.’ isn’t specifically defined so I’ll interpret it as ‘turned into a suffusion of yellow’, and then I can change the Ruleset however I want since there’s nothing preventing me from doing so”.

Ambiguities can and will occur, of course, and we can resolve them via CFJ as they are brought up. I don’t really see a CFJ about either your example or mine being resolved in any other way than “it means what it usually means for most people, not what you’re suggesting here” - barring a vote brigade, of course. :P

Clucky: he/him

23-03-2022 20:53:53 UTC


having it not change each time its run seems possibly boring and maybe opens up room for abuse if we’re not careful with future rules.

Josh: he/they

23-03-2022 22:01:38 UTC

CoV for


24-03-2022 15:36:16 UTC

against we should at least have a source for authoritative values

wdtefv: hu/hum

24-03-2022 16:00:32 UTC

against good meme but fuck the stock market