I don’t follow the logic here. How does an idle admin resolving a votable matter affect its quorum?

Because they’re treated as a non-idle player for the purpose of resolving it, which includes the purpose of determining whether it’s Popular and what Quorum should be during that determination.

Hmm, maybe. It’d have to be a very motivated reading, though, which the core rules tend to resist.

Why doesn’t this fix the issue, then, instead of just waving it away?

I’m reluctant to vote for this CfJ, which would a) establish the precedent that the issue is real, which it really barely is in the absence of a vote acknowledging it as such, and then b) not fix it, leaving it as a bigger ongoing problem than it is under the status quo.

Because I still have old-player instincts to keep CfJs minimal.

I am an older player even than you and those aren’t my instincts - if a CfJ is ostensibly to fix a problem then it should fix the problem.

Not that I’m completely sold that there is a problem here;  on that uncertainty and the lack of actual resolution.

It seems okay to me for a CfJ to quickly and neutrally plug a perceived leak, with a follow-up proposal being made for a permanent fix. Players will have more freedom to discuss and reject and iterate that fix at their leisure, rather than being under pressure to accept the first draft posted.

We should consider expanding the “Idle admins can…” clause to also list the other things that admins can implicitly already do while idle. We may even decide, looking at that, that it’s actually better to say that idle admins can’t do these things.

@Kevan I don’t disagree with you but this *doesn’t* neutrally plug the leak; effectively all it does it ratify that the leak exists, and, given low engagement and activity at present, I’m worried that that’s where it will stay.

If you have strong thoughts about how to improve on this CfJ, write a better one.

My strong thought on this CfJ is “it doesn’t matter” and by not writing one, I have written a better one.

[Josh] Isn’t this an “if the problem exists, fix it” peace of mind CfJ, where nothing happens if the problem isn’t actually there? Or am I not reading enough into all those whereases?

~~I mean a possible solution would be making me admin~~ jk don’t please lol