Wednesday, August 30, 2017

Proposal: Red Dawn

Reached popularity 5 to 0. Enacted by derrick

Adminned at 01 Sep 2017 17:23:39 UTC

If the CfJ “A Calm Night” failed, replace “the CIC with the most squabbling politicians in each bloc receives two IE.” in Ticks with:-

every Progressive CIC receives two IE. (A CIC is Progressive if there is no other CIC in their Bloc with a higher number of squabbling Politicians.)

Otherwise, replace “the CIC with the most squabbling politicians in each bloc receives two IE.” in Ticks with:-

every Progressive CIC receives two IE. (A CIC is Progressive if they have more squabbling Politicians than every other CIC in their Bloc.)

Putting the result of the previous CfJ into unambiguous ruletext.

Comments

Kevan: he/him

30-08-2017 17:11:14 UTC

And ah, it failed while I was writing this.

Bit disappointing to see an ambiguous-rule CfJ reaching quorum for an interpretation with no actual discussion of how it could even be read that way.

derrick: he/him

30-08-2017 18:00:07 UTC

If we really want to clear this up, the wording should really cover the 0 squabbling politicians case.

I don’t think there was a discussion because the two options were clear. Also, people voted right down the line on who benefited. even the UNSG.

Kevan: he/him

30-08-2017 18:20:49 UTC

“A CIC is Progressive if there is no other CIC in their Bloc with a higher number of squabbling Politicians.” is intended to cover the 0 squabbling politicians case. If you all have zero, then nobody else in the Bloc has a higher number.

The options and rewards were clear, I just didn’t understand how people were seeing the rule as “ambiguous”. If a rule gives a reward to “the CIC with the most” and several players are tied for “most”, that seems less an ambiguity and more a rule that just doesn’t pay out in this case.

(A quick skim through past dynasties turns up multiple examples where we have a reward for “the player with the most X” and immediately go on to say “in the event of a tie…”.)

pokes:

30-08-2017 18:36:12 UTC

I had no horse in that race; my against was coming from a belief in a plural ‘the’.

derrick: he/him

30-08-2017 18:39:09 UTC

oh, I wasn’t meaning to imply selfish voting by the UNSG. I just observed that the votes lined up with who got points, even if in the case of pokes in was coincidental.

I drop my objection related to the 0 case.

Sesquipedalian:

30-08-2017 20:04:40 UTC

for

derrick: he/him

30-08-2017 20:06:16 UTC

for

Maldor: he/him

31-08-2017 00:55:31 UTC

imperial

pokes:

31-08-2017 10:05:16 UTC

for

card:

01-09-2017 01:34:16 UTC

for