Wednesday, November 06, 2019

Proposal: relabling and idle protections

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Adminned at 06 Nov 2019 19:42:20 UTC

Replace “If an Adventurer is the Vanguard of an occurring Battle, they may take a Battle Action from the following list by making a comment to that effect to that Battle’s Battle Post, a comment which must also name a single Adventurer (other than themselves) who is not Recovering as their Successor: ” with

Vanguard Actions are atomic actions that consist of the following general form:
* Choose an named action from the following list and its target, if applicable, and apply its effect.
* Choose an Adventurer that is not Recovering.
* Make a comment on the Battle, stating the action you took and its target, if applicable. Also state the Adventurer you chose in the second step; that Adventurer becomes the Vanguard.

Remove “When a Battle Action is taken by the Vanguard, the Successor they named becomes the Vanguard. ” from the ruleset.

Replace “If the Monster is not Recovering and a Battle is occurring, they may take a Battle Action from the following list by making a comment to that effect to the Battle’s Battle Post: ” with
“If the Monster is not Recovering and a Battle is occurring, they may take a Monsterous Action from the following list by making a comment to that effect to the Battle’s Battle Post: “

Append to Battles “Battle Actions are actions that can be taken by Adventurer’s which are described in this rule.”

Append to Battles

If the Vanguard has not taken a Vanguard Action in the previous 24 hours, any non-Recovering Adventurer may take the following action. Choose a random non-Vanguard non-Monster non-Recovering non-Weary Adventurer to become the Vanguard. The previous Vanguard becomes Weary for the rest of the Battle, this is tracked by putting an asterisk after their name on their character sheet and is removed when the Battle ends.

second proposal since my return, i feel like this probably does too much at once?

Comments

TyGuy6:

11-06-2019 04:19:39 UTC

Nice patch for the idle vanguard issue, even if 24 hrs is a bit quick a boot.

As AAs go, this one is quite complex, and I am wary of using it.

First bullet refers to a list several bullets down, while the bullets themselves could fit the description of an “action list”.

Second bullet might be hard to be sure you have done right, although probably not normally, if you don’t know for sure who the last quorum of action takers were.

Third bullet is fine, if Battle can be used in place of “Battle Post”. That would be nice, but I’d like to see it made explicit somewhere.

High chance of getting AA stuck, medium- high impact on gameplay if it happens. (It stops gameplay, skips turns, and can be self-cyclical.) Recommendation: Don’t use an AA.  against

Kevan:

11-06-2019 09:22:40 UTC

I think TyGuy’s points are probably liveable with, but renaming the Monster’s actions from Battle to Monstrous switches off “Each time a Monster causes a non-Monster Adventurer or the Cathedral to lose an amount of HP via a Battle Action”.

“If the Vanguard has not taken a Vanguard Action in the previous 24 hours” also allowed a Vanguard to be timed out immediately, as it doesn’t require them to have been the Vanguard for those 24 hours.

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Cuddlebeam:

11-06-2019 12:09:29 UTC

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card:

11-06-2019 18:57:23 UTC

[Tyguy6] I suppose it should say something like the next list to differentiate it from itself since the Vanguard Action itself is a list.
I think that determining the last quorum of action takers in this context is really easy because aside from making an Adventurer Weary, all of the actions make a comment on the Battle post. Good idea to codify that Battle can mean Battle post or just replace that to say Battle post.
While I appreciate your concern for keeping people from not getting stuck in AA paragraph 4 of the AA rule prevents them from being stuck permanently. Can you come up with an example for this AA where by only taking legal actions you become stuck and have to undo everything? I can’t seem to think of one.

[Kevan] I added a clause that makes all actions defined in the Battle rule Battle Actions. Fair point for the Vanguard part; however there does need to be some sort of passing system. Should be as easy as changing it to “within 24 hours since they became the Vanguard”

Kevan:

11-06-2019 19:19:34 UTC

[card] Oh, so you did. Doesn’t that get a bit weird if starting a Battle and retiring a Vanguard both become Battle Actions? (The proposal “They come, like a boss” is about to create effects which deal damage “whenever you perform a Battle Action”.)

card:

11-06-2019 19:27:03 UTC

Oh I didn’t consider the impact of defining the act of initiating a Battle as a Battle Action, since that means the Vanguard can’t take an action until the Monster does. I did intend to have the retired Vanguard be a Battle Action but maybe it delays the waiting period too much. I’ll defiantly want to scrap that in light of Cuddlebeam’s new proposals too.

card:

11-06-2019 19:27:20 UTC

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