BlogNomic: The First Dynasty of Desertfrog

I like this a lot more than relics.

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Rule 2.1:“Rodlen is treated as the Watcher”

Rule 2.2:“Every rule existing in the Blognomic ruleset is considered implicit in each Faction’s Ruleset”

Rule 1.8:“a single Citizen, known as the Watcher”

Rule 1.2:”excluding Rules 1.1, 1.2 and 1.8, Idle Citizens are not counted as Citizens”

Looks like a no go to me.

You have NOT achieved Victory in any Faction anyways, and that is what the Victory Hall tracks. As we decided on a previous dynasty, being the Watcher and achieving Victory are two different things.

Not only that, but because you are the watcher, you are not allowed to achieve Victory at all!

If rules are not reset when victory is obtained, once someone wins they would be in a constant state of winning and keep getting added to the list.

  for the same reason as Bucky and Clucky.

If rules are not reset when victory is obtained, once someone wins they would be in a constant state of winning and keep getting added to the list <—how is it possible this happens??

After you win, you do not win again because you are already the Watcher. Only Non-watchers can obtain victory! Otherwise, the whole of Blognomic would have never worked.

Also my proposal says you get added when you “become” the Watcher. You cannot become the Watcher if you’re already the Watcher, anyways.

What Bucky said stops your idea.

So basically what Bucky says is that the Watcher exists in all Factions because when Rule 1.8 interacts with 1.2 it causes the Watcher to never become idle?

Well, ok. If people agree to that interpretation, I’ll take my proposal back. However, it implies that Rodlen can vote on all Factions. It also implies that there cannot be Watchers in the Factions, period.

Finally, because Factions do not share gamestate with Blognomic, this also implies that the determination of who is the Watcher IS NOT PART OF THE GAMESTATE. Thus, the conclusion is that every single proposal that causes someone to achieve Victory is invalid, unless the proposal directly writes the name of the new Watcher to the Ruleset, because that is the only other way to keep that information without storing it in gamestate.

So, basically, no matter what we do, this dynasty is messed up.

No rather, EVERY dynasty is messed up. There needs to be a core rule saying “Until another Citizen achieves Victory, the Watcher is <Insert Name HEre>”.

Otherwise, there is never a real Watcher (since we are saying that being the Watcher is not gamestate, it needs to be explicitly stated on the ruleset to exist).

This…can’t be good.

Rodlen is still watcher, even if he were to idle, he would still be watcher.

@Amni: I understand about Rodlen still being watcher even if e goes idle. However, what about the issue I explain on my comment? Is being a Watcher part of the gamestate or is it not?

“When a DoV passes, all other active DoVs are failed, and a new Dynasty begins with the Citizen who made the DoV as its Watcher. (That Citizen may pass this role to another Citizen at this point, if he wishes.) “

it is part of the gamestate, and the only referenced means of changing it is right there.  That is the only way there is a new watcher.

as far as their not being watchers in any faction, that’s completely untrue. A faction can have it’s own watcher, but Rodlen remains the watcher over the entire dynasty.

However, there may be only one watcher in the entire dynasty.

If Amni is ok, then it means Bucky’s argument does not apply.

I’d rather it simply track who acheives victory in a dynasty, than who becomes the watcher, then we don’t have to worry about it.

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