Respect
Shame

Now what?

Yoda:Only the last voting icon you use is considered a vote.

shame

shame

shame

Now what?

For good measure, I was just trying to make a point.

You’re still just “a Clansman who gave a vote of shame”.

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spikebrennan:Rule 1.4 was reworded while you were idle.  It now reads “If a Clansman uses more than one Voting Icon in comments on a Pending Proposal, his Vote is the last voting icon he uses.”  This means that when this passes, assuming you don’t comment any more, you will have given neither a Vote of Respect nor a Vote of Shame.

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Suppose I really don’t like a certain clansman. Whenever I see a proposal of his about to fail, I can Shame him for 1, even if it was just self-killed for a fix. On the reverse side, if there’s a clansman I like or a fellow conspirator, we can Respect each other for 1 whenever the other has a successful proposer. Either way, there’s nothing anyone else can do about it.

There’s really no motivation not to shame someone’s proposal down into oblivion.  That in turn can result in the game grinding to a halt, as we’ve now added entertainment value to sinking each other’s proposals.  Whereas, convincing everyone to vote for someone’s proposal is also convincing them to give away free honor points.

I once again heartily recommend that we not integrate dynasty rules with the metagame.  Passing and/or failing proposals should not influence nor be influenced by dynastic goals.

Xaxyx: Quite on the contrary, any system that deals with rules that can be changed by humans has to deal with politics one way. With or without this system, I would still vote against proposals that seem to be affecting my possibility of winning in a negative way. Nomics ARE a metagame, how couldn’t it be if the whole purpose is to skew the rules on your favor?

Rodlen: You are describing exactly what I am aiming for with this rule! Conspiracy! In-fighting! On our last dynasties we had a lot of proposals timing out because not a lot of attention was being put to them. Perhaps with this we can at least get people voting (even if they just do it to sink a potentian rival).

I’m Rodlen. He is Rodney.

We are not the same.

Xaxyx: “There’s really no motivation not to shame someone’s proposal down into oblivion.” - except that you risk becoming “that shaming into oblivion guy”, and people who wouldn’t normally have shamed you will start shaming you purely for that.

  CoV, though. Rodney makes a good point about easy backslapping, which would prevent Honor from ever becoming a very usable stat.

CoV .

The whole “gain or lose stat X for proposals”, while it can be an interesting game mechanic, has been over used in the past games I’ve been in.

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By my count, that’s 3-9.