Thursday, March 11, 2021

Proposal: Scandal without Manners

Timed Out. Fails 2-6—Clucky

Adminned at 13 Mar 2021 21:09:33 UTC

Add the following to the end of the rule “Ethics of the Nobility”:

An Elector with a Faction of “-” and positive Scandal is a Parvenu. For the purpose of calculating Political Heft, a non-Outcast Parvenu’s Political Power is reduced by their Scandal, to a minimum of one.


Clucky: he/him

11-03-2021 20:17:11 UTC

Does this do anything? The only person with a Faction of “-” is Darknight and they don’t have a positive scandal.


11-03-2021 22:55:43 UTC

It’s filling a gap where a member of a “-” faction currently avoids all consequences of their Scandal.

Josh: he/they

11-03-2021 23:28:14 UTC

A person with a faction of - also can’t win, until they come off the fence


11-03-2021 23:32:26 UTC

Why not? I don’t see any restriction on the factionless posting DoVs.

Clucky: he/him

12-03-2021 00:09:39 UTC

Given one can never switch their faction to -, as - does not appear on the list of legal factions… I’m still not sure this is really needed.

Josh: he/they

12-03-2021 07:04:04 UTC

@Bucky Because if this bit

The Doge will then disclose which Electors are in the same Secret Faction as the Elector who posted the DoV, and the Political Hefts of each Elector in that Secret Faction. One of the named Electors is randomly selected by the Doge, with each Elector’s chance of being selected being proportionate to their relative Political Heft, and a new Dynasty begins in which the Elector who was selected becomes the Doge.

The factionless aren’t considered to have the same secret faction as anybody, including themselves, so can’t get victory share on anyone else’s DoV and can’t even be eligible to win on their own DoV (which would resolve with no legitimate candidates to win - which is a separate big to solve I guess)

Kevan: he/him

12-03-2021 11:51:19 UTC

What’s “non-Outcast” referring to?

Josh: he/they

12-03-2021 12:00:45 UTC

Oh, should that be Ostracised?

Brendan: he/him

12-03-2021 14:05:22 UTC


Lulu: she/her

12-03-2021 14:40:12 UTC


Josh: he/they

12-03-2021 15:38:57 UTC



12-03-2021 16:06:10 UTC

  Just because someone’s Factionless doesn’t mean they’re also Secret Factionless.

Josh: he/they

12-03-2021 16:09:24 UTC

Oh yeah, fair point.

Clucky: he/him

12-03-2021 17:47:47 UTC

for seems harmless enough

Zack: he/him

12-03-2021 18:10:39 UTC

imperial Can we just make anyone without a faction a Patrician so even if they post a DoV or win with a secret faction, they still have no chance of winning the victory lottery?

Kevan: he/him

12-03-2021 22:40:48 UTC

imperial Bit niche.

Josh: he/they

12-03-2021 22:44:00 UTC

I’m going to flip to against , partly because of the Outcast/Ostracised thing, partly because I don’t see a massive use case for it, partly because I don’t really like carrying more DEFs than there are actual votes, and partly because I don’t want to have to automate it in the secret gamestate.

Raven1207: he/they

13-03-2021 03:50:22 UTC