Doesn’t this wording retroactively cancel all victories that have ever occurred, in the case of a tie?

The reasoning behind the timing’s also a little unclear – why the 2-day delay between stopping reviews and victory being achieved? It’s unclear what would be legal to do in that time, other than claiming Mandates, which is hard to do meaningfully if you can’t change your Draft.

First major issue is that without any “2025” dates this will lock the game down and give victory to whoever has the highest rating as we’re after June 2nd 2024 already and thus after June 2nd.

Another less pressing issue is that Noon UTC is like 5 am west coast time. Given there may definitely be strategic implications to change ratings at the deadline I think the 16-18:00 UTC is the generally established “everyone currently playing blognomic is generally around” timeframe and so might be better

I am neutral on the merits of having a timed win condition (rather than supporting it), but think there should be an opportunity to revise once we’ve worked out a better set of time limits.

Good idea but needs revising as mentioned already

@ais On Victories: Nah, the ascension-uphold deals with that.

On Timing: Leaving a gap for future mechanics, but proposing new Mandates would still be leagl in the gap, as an example.

@Clucky Fair point, I’d vote for an amendment.

I know it gives more room to tie the bow onto a good finale scam, but a clock deadline does also leave the door open to players changing their reviews at 11:59:59am (in the hope that their opponents won’t react in time, or will get tied up in wiki edit conflicts, or will have a computer clock that’s seven seconds out), which usually happens when it’s an option, and is never much fun for anyone.

Is the two-day delay there to reverse by proposal any last-minute nonsense from players unidling to hijack the reviews?

@Kevan Yeah, or someone who tanks all their reviews to 1* right on the deadline to goose their own relative position. It might be worth making that explicit, actually.

@Josh: I don’t see how the ascension-uphold helps with the victory issue: it says that “no Drafter has achieved Victory”, which should undo all the past victories by people who are currently players as it isn’t limited to the current dynasty. The ascension-uphold wouldn’t undo that – it would uphold it.

@Kevan: Thinking about it, the deadline should probably not be predictable in advance of when it happens, although randomizing it also seems like a problem.

Perhaps you should decide the deadline, ais, and simply not tell anyone what it is until it happens?

Another idea is to allow a Drafter to lock in both their Draft and any Reviews meant for that Drafter, so that neither could be changed, but a Drafter could only do this if they have not edited their Draft within the past 48 hours.

Once a quorum of Drafters have done this, do the victory check based on the highest Rating.

I guess we might still need an ultimate time limit in case a Drafter tries to hold the dynasty hostage. Even so, with the Reviews locked for other Drafters, a hold-out Drafter couldn’t do much.

Withdrawn for revision