Sunday, August 22, 2021

Proposal: Self Consistency

Times out and fails, 4-5 (and one idle-vote against). -Bucky

Adminned at 24 Aug 2021 03:29:59 UTC

If there exists a rule “The Veto List” with the text

A proposal is a Misfit if it does not have all of the properties on the following list:

Change that text to:

A proposal is a Misfit if it does not have all of the properties on the following list, which is known as the Mandate List:

If there does not exist a dynastic rule “The Veto List”, create one with the following text:

A proposal is a Misfit if it does not have all of the properties on the following list, which is known as the Mandate List:

  1. It would, if enacted, add a new entry to this list.

Add the following entry to the end of the Mandate List:

It complies with every property that it could possibly or conditionally add to the Mandate List, including conditional proposed changes with an impossible condition.

 

Comments

Clucky: he/him

22-08-2021 03:30:00 UTC

will be voting against once this gets out of the edit window because Bucky’s choice to lock my proposal from editing rather than giving me space to reword it makes it pretty likely he has some sort of scam cooked up with his wording

ais523:

22-08-2021 03:54:05 UTC

If “Walking the Walk” passes, this will essentially place the same item onto the Mandate List twice.

Bucky:

22-08-2021 03:55:27 UTC

Is that a problem?

Clucky: he/him

22-08-2021 03:56:30 UTC

A problem, no. But it kinda defeats the point of adding new requirements if you just copy other ones and reword them

Bucky:

22-08-2021 04:44:13 UTC

If Walking the Walk also enacts, this new restriction is stricter in that it judges not just the branch of the proposal that would be taken if it were immediately enacted, but also any restrictions it might conditionally add to the list.

Unless, with the broader interpretation of Walking the Walk, it’s less strict in that it doesn’t require compliance with all entries that might hypothetically be added under any circumstances.

Clucky: he/him

22-08-2021 04:48:57 UTC

that is a good point. I feel like someone could probably write a proposal phrased in a way such that “could possibly add to the Mandate List” could probably create a paradox where it is impossible to determine if it is a misfit or not

Bucky:

22-08-2021 04:51:11 UTC

“If this proposal is Misfit, add the following entry to the Mandate List…”

Bucky:

22-08-2021 05:26:15 UTC

version 1.1 now explicitly calls out impossible conditions, the proposal must comply even with an effect it conditionally adds but with a literally impossible condition.

Clucky: he/him

22-08-2021 06:14:37 UTC

against

Madrid:

22-08-2021 08:36:57 UTC

I unidle

Josh: he/they

22-08-2021 10:41:13 UTC

against per Walking the Walk

Kevan: City he/him

22-08-2021 11:12:13 UTC

against

Janet: she/her

22-08-2021 13:32:39 UTC

against

Darknight: he/him

22-08-2021 14:41:56 UTC

against

Raven1207: he/they

22-08-2021 16:51:29 UTC

against

Raven1207: he/they

22-08-2021 16:51:49 UTC

against

Raven1207: he/they

22-08-2021 16:52:01 UTC

Whoops

Madrid:

22-08-2021 17:31:39 UTC

for

Bucky:

22-08-2021 19:20:29 UTC

Explicit Author for

ais523:

23-08-2021 05:39:14 UTC

for

Trapdoorspyder: he/him

23-08-2021 23:48:44 UTC

for as Walking the Walk failed