Monday, August 05, 2024

Proposal: Short range obelisks

Reached quorum, 4-0. Enacted by JonathanDark.

Adminned at 06 Aug 2024 14:31:36 UTC

In the rule Obelisks, replace the rules text “to perform an Obelisk action, a Fishing Contestant must be in the same cell as a Basalt Obelisk, and as a cost of performing an Obelisk action, a Fishing Contestant must either pay 5 doubloons, or increase their madness by 3. ” with

for a Fishing Contestant to perform an Obelisk action, that Fishing Contestant must be in the same cell as a Basalt Obelisk, and as a cost of performing an Obelisk action, that Fishing Contestant must either pay 5 doubloons, or increase their madness by 3.

Rules patch

Comments

Lukas:

05-08-2024 19:48:04 UTC

It’s a neat scam, but I’m not convinced that it works. “To perform X, a Fishing Contestant must do Y” most naturally reads to me as “A Fishing Contestant must perform X to do Y”. If the sentence was “In order for a Fishing Contestant to perform X, a Fishing Contestant must do Y”, then I would agree with the scam. But in the current formulation, I have a hard time seeing the actor of “perform” as being anything other than the Fishing Contestant mentioned immediately after.

I could however see the *second* occurrence of Fishing Contestant being someone else (and I considered trying to piggyback off this scam by not paying the cost for my Churn the Mind, but it’s still too much of a stretch for me).

SingularByte: he/him

05-08-2024 20:12:59 UTC

It’s easiest to parse in the scammy way if you treat it as “[for the reader] to perform X, a fishing contestant must be X, Y, Z”. You could compare it to a theoretical condition like “to perform a lightning-calling, a cell must be stormy”.

It’s only because the fishing contestants have agency that it feels more natural to parse it as being a condition on the fishing contestant themselves, but it’s not the only way to parse it.

JonathanDark: he/him

05-08-2024 20:24:38 UTC

Historically, we’ve had these types of scams before, where the rule doesn’t establish a strong connection between the player meeting the criteria and a player performing the action, so there’s precedent for this type of scam.

In some dynasties, it may even be intentional and desired that one player’s criteria “unlocks” another player to be able to carry out an action, e.g. “When a Wizard is standing on a Hidden Plate, a Wizard may open a Locked Door”, where you want one player to be able to open a Locked Door any time another player is standing on that Hidden Plate. Normally, you’d want to be more clear by stating “any player”, but “a player” can still be read as “any player”.

Lukas:

05-08-2024 21:01:26 UTC

Good to know. This particular phrasing still seems a little unnatural to me, but I don’t strongly object to the scam going through.

Darknight: he/him

05-08-2024 23:39:43 UTC

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Lukas:

06-08-2024 02:43:47 UTC

for On the clarification in any case.

JonathanDark: he/him

06-08-2024 04:16:30 UTC

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