Monday, June 15, 2020

Proposal: Sidebets

Self-killed. Failed by Kevan.

Adminned at 18 Jun 2020 19:09:44 UTC

Add a sub-rule of Plaques titled “Side Bet”:

Each Gambler has a Stake, an integer defaulting to zero, and a Backer, which is either a Gambler or “None”, defaulting to None. The Stake and Backer are tracked together on The Wheel wiki page in the Gamblers table under the heading “Backing”.

At any time, a Gambler (the Setter) may increase the Stake of a Gambler, which also changes that Gambler’s Backer to the Setter.

In “Plaques”, change “Sweep the Board by increasing the High Roller’s Plaques by 1, and setting all Gamblers’ Points to zero.” to

Sweep the Board by:
* Increasing the High Roller’s Plaques by 1,
* Setting all Gamblers’ Points to zero,
* Increasing the Annoyingness of the High Roller’s Backer by 3,
* For each Gambler, decreasing the Points of their Backer by their Stake, and then setting their Backer to None and their Stake to 0.

Maybe too complicated, but a mechanism for bidding points in the next round for annoyingness if your gambler wins the plaque.


Publius Scribonius Scholasticus: he/they

16-06-2020 00:32:39 UTC



16-06-2020 04:46:16 UTC


Kevan: he/him

16-06-2020 08:58:07 UTC

against “At any time” gives too much advantage to the Spinner, if an unbacked Gambler takes the lead - they can immediately back them for 1 point and Sweep the Board.

Tantusar: he/they

16-06-2020 12:09:47 UTC

against per kevan


16-06-2020 12:25:31 UTC

my commentary on the issue from Slack:

d’oh, I was really happy with my proposal and then saw that anyone can swoop in and back the right guy immediately before sweeping

maybe that’s okay

yes I think that’s okay. it’s on everyone else to bid a fair price on the right guy lest they give away annoyingness for cheap to a passing opportunist


16-06-2020 12:34:01 UTC

That also could be seen as adding an incentive to spin or sweep.

Kevan: he/him

16-06-2020 14:12:27 UTC

Ah, I didn’t see the Slack conversation.

There’s definitely an incentive to Spin and Sweep, and I think it’s too big: it pushes both “spin the wheel” and “react immediately to spinning the wheel” onto the sharp end of the first nanosecond of the Due Date, and will be messy.

I doubt anyone would volunteer to start the bidding with “a fair price” on every player who’s within a throw of a Plaque, every turn. Especially not when I know that the Spinner will have the option of outbidding me by 1 after seeing the results of the throw (and leaving me to pay the Stake if the throw was a bad one).

Darknight: he/him

16-06-2020 14:44:34 UTC


derrick: he/him

17-06-2020 13:30:22 UTC



17-06-2020 14:32:51 UTC

against S/K