Wednesday, March 25, 2020

Proposal: Simplify the Item System

Timed out, failed and I guess sort of self-killed? 0-6. Josh

Adminned at 28 Mar 2020 11:26:59 UTC

Replace the rule Items with the following:

An item in an auction must have exactly the following 8 properties:
Name, Type, Impact A, Impact B, Style, Age, Explicitness, Topic.

Create an item for auction by carrying out the following Atomic Action:
• Give the item a name.
• Randomly choose one Impact A: +2 Power, +2 Prestige, -X debt, -2 Power, -2 Prestige to a minimum of zero
• Randomly choose one Impact B: +1 Power, +1 Prestige, -1 Power, -1 Prestige to a minimum of zero
• If -X debt is chosen for Impact A, secretly randomly choose a value for X: a number between zero and the median average Debt of all Noblemen
• Randomly choose one Type: Art, Furniture, Food, or Romantic Gifts
• Randomly choose one Style: Mannerist, Renaissance, Byzantine, Islamic, Far Eastern
• Randomly choose one Age: a number between 1 and 2000
• Randomly choose one Explicitness: Romantic, Lewd, Bawdy, Obscene.
• Randomly choose one Topic: Fruit, Meat, Candies, Wine
• Put the item up for auction via a story post.
If an item’s Impact B is either “-1 Power” or “-1 Prestige to a minimum of zero”, that item is Undesirable. If an item’s impact A is either “-2 Power” or ”-2 Prestige to a minimum of zero”, that item is Undesirable. Otherwise, it is Desirable.
Upon winning the item in an auction, Impact A and Impact B are applied to the winner.
Upon successful sale of an item at auction, the Nobleman who created the item is given +1 Power and +1 Prestige.

Replace the rule Ribbons with the following:

There exist five Ribbons, which are (along with their Requirements):
• Ribbon of Letters: Own an Estate with Furniture with Age between 0 and 100 years old, 100 and 1000 years old, and 1000 and 2000 years old
• Ribbon of the Sword: Own an Estate with Romantic Gifts of every available Explicitness
• Ribbon of the Bell: Own an Estate with Food of every available Topic
• Ribbon of the Robe: Own an Estate with Art from every available Style
• Ribbon of the Chancery: Have both the highest Prestige and the highest Power.
Each Ribbon may be held by no more than one Nobleman. By default, no Noblemen hold any Ribbons. Ribbons are tracked on the Noblemen wikipage. If all Ribbons are held, and one Nobleman has the most Ribbons, they are the Duchess of Ribbons. If a Nobleman is the only Nobleman to meet the Requirement of a Ribbon, they may (after removing it from any Nobleman who already holds it) hold that Ribbon.
When a nobleman goes idle, they cease to hold any Ribbons they were holding.

You can see the ribbon rule has barely changed. “Ingredient” was changed to “Topic” and “Champion” was changed to “Duchess of Ribbons”. The term “Champion” is too confusing with the term “Victor”, the winner of the game. I also changed “possible” to “available”, making no real difference other than standardization of language.

What happens to the old items?

Louis XIV shall use common sense to convert currently owned items from old style to new style while bearing in mind the spirit of this proposal is to reward those adventurous early adopters.
In areas where there is no common-sense conversion, Louis XIV must roll for new values as shown in the above rule.
To compensate for any perceived value lost during item conversion, the effected players (as determined by Louis XIV) shall receive a one-time debt relief equal to 10% of their current debt.
All currently open auctions will be closed with no winner.

If proposal “Cordon Rouge” is voted into law, the phrase:

• If -X debt is chosen for Impact A, secretly randomly choose a value for X: a number between zero and the median average Debt of all Noblemen

Would become:

• If -X debt is chosen for Impact A, secretly randomly choose a value for X: a number between zero and the Red Line value

If proposal “C’est une conversation” is voted into law, repeal the Locations and Socialiser rules. Both mention item sub-types, which this rule makes obsolete.


This proposal simplifies the item creation process, incentivizes the creation of items, and ensures the ribbon rule is compatible.



03-25-2020 17:02:43 UTC

I love that you’re jumping right in and writing proposals, but this one is too long. Trying to focus on one change at a time reduces reader fatigue and/or rejection based on some parts not being liked.

That being the case, there is still merit to getting your thoughts out for consideration! Maybe we can talk about which parts we like best, for later proposal.


03-25-2020 17:05:25 UTC

I disagree - I think it’s good as it stands and needs to be holistic.  for

pencilgame: HE/HIM

03-25-2020 18:23:49 UTC

It’s worth noting, this proposal implicitly allows noblemen to auction items when it says “• Put the item up for auction via a story post.”. Thus reducing the burden on Louis XIV alone to keep the game moving.


03-25-2020 19:50:57 UTC

Ok, it’s a sophisticated proposal. I was too hasty, probably, to discount it for the length, alone. So let’s see what details are going on.

Problem 1: Louis IV can no longer publish an auction, because to do so requires both a random number of items 1-5, and for each individual item to be published as soon as it’s generated:

“The Auction must consistent of a random number of Items between 1 and 5, generated as per the rule Items.”


03-25-2020 20:54:17 UTC

@TyGuy6 that’s the current wording of the rule - I don’t see that it’s a problem tbh.

pencilgame: HE/HIM

03-25-2020 21:58:00 UTC


I agree with you that the proposal’s interfacing with auctions is its weakest component.

However, the Auction rule states that “As a Daily Action, Louis XIV may make…”. He “may”. It is not required. If this proposal temporarily outlaws the King’s ability to create auctions, so be it. In its place, noblemen would gain the ability to create auctions.

The King would still be the person conducting auctions, so it is not like it completely side-lines that rule.

And the auction rule could be re-aligned to its original intention as a next proposal. My two cents.

Darknight: HE/HIM

03-25-2020 22:29:50 UTC

imperial for the moment

Kevan: HE/HIM

03-26-2020 09:36:10 UTC


pencilgame: HE/HIM

03-26-2020 14:22:05 UTC

As a sign of respect to the court, I am changing my implied checkmark to a deffered. I am but a lowly nobleman. Do what thou wishest with my proposal, a mere suggestion.


03-26-2020 18:55:22 UTC



03-27-2020 05:50:06 UTC

Salient points, pencil. I love it. May I, however, recommend the king not use his auction creation ability post passing, as it might result in an AA lock?  against

pencilgame: HE/HIM

03-27-2020 14:49:29 UTC

I couldn’t find “AA lock” on the Jargon page. What is it?


03-27-2020 22:37:17 UTC

Atomic Actions have special rules for if you don’t follow them properly, including lockout of all other dynastic actions, and how to remedy this lockout. I’m always wary of rules featuring complex AAs, especially if the emperor has to follow them.


03-28-2020 11:26:18 UTC

against CoV. I like the thrust but I actually agree with TyGuy6 - the last item on the Item Creation schedule being “• Put the item up for auction via a story post” does cause a problem.