Monday, August 16, 2021

Proposal: Sixty Hours is Sixty Hours

Timed out. Fails 1-5—Clucky

Adminned at 18 Aug 2021 02:11:39 UTC

In the core rule “Votes”, change both instances of “48” to “60”.

At the end of that core rule, append “When a Declaration of Victory is enacted, both the above instances of ‘60’ in this rule change to ‘48’, and this sentence is removed from this rule.”

If we’re adopting a 60-hour cycle for this dynasty, that means that it’s safe to stop paying attention to it for 60 hours. Except that it isn’t – a proposal could be submitted, time out, and be enacted in that time, in a situation where your vote would stop it. (It isn’t a problem if proposals get quorumed in a fraction of that time, because in that situation, your vote wouldn’t stop it.)

As such, this is a proposal to slow the proposal cycle to 60 hours too, matching the gameplay cycle. Trying to do this with a dynastic rule was too hard to word and ran the risk of being easily missed in the ruleset, so thiis words it as a core rules change that repeals itself at the end of the dynasty.


Clucky: he/him

16-08-2021 00:52:03 UTC

we should not change core rules to work around dynastic rules. Either change the dynastic rules or use new dynastic rules to overrule the core rules.


16-08-2021 01:07:13 UTC

I’m having difficulty finding a wording for that that works; something like “each instance of the number ‘48’ in the core rule ‘Votes’ must be treated as though it said ‘60’ instead” is the closest simple approach I can find, but I’m not convinced that that actually changes the timeout (as opposed to forcing everyone to pretend that the timeout was changed).

It’s much clearer to have the core rule say what it means, rather than having a different rule entirely say what it means and leaving the 48 in place.

Vovix: he/him

16-08-2021 03:18:48 UTC

Can we not just make a dynastic rule that says “a votable matter without quorum is not popular/unpopular unless open for at least 60 hours”?

Clucky: he/him

16-08-2021 03:59:41 UTC

or just keep the 48 hours thing because they are solving different problems.

its entirely possible that a proposal passes within 48 hours. or 24 hours. or 12 hours. no one is actually saying you only need to check in once every 60 hours to stay on top of everything.

its just that 36 hours to get moves in was a bit fast for some people. and 48 would result in time zone issues. so we bumped that to 60. But not sure why that means we need to change anything about proposals.

Kevan: City he/him

16-08-2021 08:31:27 UTC

against Changes “for this dynasty” should not go in Core.

Clucky: he/him

16-08-2021 14:29:34 UTC


Raven1207: he/they

16-08-2021 20:24:45 UTC


lemon: she/her

16-08-2021 23:31:37 UTC

against per kevan


17-08-2021 14:16:21 UTC