Wednesday, July 28, 2010

Proposal: Small fix

Procedurally Vetoed. - lilomar

Adminned at 28 Jul 2010 13:14:31 UTC

If the Proposal titled “That information is above your clearance level.” failed, this Proposal does nothing.

In “Information Clearance”, change

For the purposes of any given dynastic Rule, no Citizen with a Clearance Level higher than the Clearance Level of that Rule is a Citizen.

to

For the purposes of any given dynastic Rule, no Citizen with a Clearance Level higher than the Clearance Level of that Rule is a Citizen unless specifically referred to as such.

Comments

Josh: Observer he/they

28-07-2010 09:45:04 UTC

for

Put:

28-07-2010 09:58:51 UTC

for

Keba:

28-07-2010 11:31:18 UTC

for

spikebrennan:

28-07-2010 12:20:03 UTC

for

Qwazukee:

28-07-2010 12:27:03 UTC

against Citizens with high clearance levels should be completely immune to the effects of low-level rules.

Kevan: he/him

28-07-2010 12:31:10 UTC

against I’m not sure this helps us much. What counts as “specifically”? Will a Yellow Rule of “kill all Green Citizens” work, or do I have to say “kill all Green Citizens, who are considered Citizens for the purposes of this rule”?

I’m also not sure that I see any problems with the current rule. I quite like the idea that higher ranks are safely screened off and simply don’t exist from a lower-colour rule’s perspective.

lilomar:

28-07-2010 12:33:51 UTC

against
If you want a rule to apply to a higher-level citizen, you should get a higher clearance.

ais523:

28-07-2010 12:53:03 UTC

for @lilomar: you can do that even without this rule, simply by mentioning Citizens by name, or even by saying “all Green players”. So proposal rule isn’t making things any worse, given that they’re broken anyway.

lilomar:

28-07-2010 12:55:53 UTC

Player is not defined in the rules. Referring to a citizen by name would only pass if it had a really good reason.

ais523:

28-07-2010 12:57:39 UTC

“Player” doesn’t have to be defined to have a meaning, unfortunately (although it quite possibly includes idle Citizens). Most words in the rules aren’t defined, and thus use normal English definitions.

Kevan: he/him

28-07-2010 13:05:34 UTC

But if I’m not a Citizen for the purposes of a Red-clearance “kill the player who goes by the name Kevan-G-BGN” rule, then I don’t have a Clone-Number, nor would my “death” trigger “whenever a rule or a game action causes a Citizen to die”.

lilomar:

28-07-2010 13:07:46 UTC

veto

Rules below your clearance do not apply to you. If the rule is going to be amended, it should make it harder to work around that, not easier.

redtara: they/them

28-07-2010 14:50:50 UTC

for
What if there was a Red rule that said “Any Green citizen may punish a citizen who violates this rule” or something similar?

Bucky:

28-07-2010 18:37:55 UTC

imperial The computer is wise.  Listen to the computer.

Darknight: he/him

28-07-2010 19:10:54 UTC

lilo vetoed this as an FYI

lilomar:

28-07-2010 20:14:13 UTC

Procedural veto